Do tube dampers really work?


Tube dampers are relatively cheap; but will they REALLY improve the sound of my Audible Illusions preamp?
rockyboy
Hi Folks...

I'm from Israel, owning a ARC-SP-9/2 + a Dynaco Stereo 70 also series 2.

Thanks to a friend of mine that works for the Army, here..., I obtain from him a lot of "O" rings, widely used for many porpouses in the army, and loaded my Pre + amp with a lot of these "O" rings.

IF...?, I really hear a Improvement....Maybe I'm dreaming!

BUT... make me feel much better!

In those 2 Amperex white PQ 6922 that I installed in my SP-9/2 they obtain 3 "O" rings each one of the tubes.

My Dynaco the two drivers 6GH8A also 3 "O" rings each tube,
for the 4 National branded East Germany Siemens, as was received 16 "O" rings in total > 4 "O" rings each tube.

Of course...as here in Israel it's an a very hot zone..., my Dynaco always work with NO grille,,, the SP-9/2 With!

Good listening...

ALEX
There seems to be some agreement that tube dampers offer an improvement. Why would a manufacturer of a relatively expensive preamp (over 4K) not offer a tube damper as part of the standard equipment to "improve" performance, or at least offer them as an uprgrade? They are not generally very expensive, especially purchased in quantity. If ARC can do it...
Well, ARC does it on all their stuff, one of the reasons I like them. As for why others don't, the cynic in me wants to say that they probably don't want to admit that it's a problem. There's a psychological issue with admitting to yourself that tubes are sensitive to vibration, makes them seem somehow less "perfect" than they were before, and also makes the customers start asking difficult questions, like "why aren't you doing more to isolate the tubes from vibrations, if vibrations clearly cause a performance degradation?" Best not to go there. Witness the several responses above stating categorically that microphony cannot possibly exist unless the tubes are obviously defective. To some, a problem ignored ceases to be a problem. I just wish it worked for me:).
I just fitted the input 12AT7's on my VTL mono's with Herbie's Hal-O dampers. At first I was skeptical, because in a preliminary 'unplugged' test where I just tapped the tubes when pinched lightly at the pins and tip between my thumb and forefinger and listened to the airborne ring of the glass envelope, the dampers really only seemed to slightly modify the pitch and duration (as Hee suggested above), but they still rang nonetheless. Not only that, but the actual damping pads are quite bouncy when dropped onto a hard surface, which to me is more the characteristic of a spring than of a damper.

However, when I compare with the Hal-O's both on and off the tubes installed in the amps playing music, there is a (mostly) worthwhile difference to be heard through the speakers. Specifically, the dampers can help in taming brightness that is likely spurious, the result of resonances. I suspect that the Hal-O's can't help much with tubes which are themselves significantly microphonic. The benefit I heard was with tubes displaying no audible microphonics at normal volumes through the speakers (not headphones) during the tap test. (BTW, the tap test is perfectly legit - it successfully identifies microphonic tubes. What else does anyone need from a microphonics test?) I admit I was kind of suprised to hear much of anything at all with tubes that didn't seem to have any obvious problems beforehand. Just goes to show how critically sensitive all input tubes are.

A potential bit of downside can be a minor loss of 'air' - which could also be a spurious artifact itself - along with a slight diminishment of perceived 'snap' or 'jump'. On balance, in my system, the tonal balance correction is more significant. I don't want to get carried away though - the total effect is small, but consistent and to my overall liking.

I doubt there's anything special about the Herbie's dampers' sound in relation to the all-silicon ring-type dampers ; in fact, the Hal-O design, which creates an added partially-damped suspended mass to resonate, in the form of the Teflon 3/4 ring, might not be as ideal as something that contacts the glass all around and is lighter in weight. But the Hal-O's seemed like an appealing design as far as being easy to install and remove even when the tube is hot, are just as cheap, and they can look kind of cool. Since I haven't yet tried any but the Hal-O's, this is just speculation for now.

I've also got no experience with dampers that take the opposite approach and go for high mass, usually through the liberal deployment of brass. To me, these seem like they would unavoidably retain more heat, wearing the tubes out faster, and given what they cost, I don't know if I'll ever try any out. The Ensemble Tubesox look interesting - and like they might give the best damping of anything - but are also expensive. Again, it seems to me they must somewhat increase heat retention - something the Herbie's design avoids completely. I've used the Pearl tube coolers on several tube types, both output and small-signal, for a number of years, and though I think they perform well in their intended job, I can't say they do much to quell microphonics, and can even ring a bit themselves. (It also seems as if they would provide a more efficient means of picking up airborne vibrations ; in the VTL's, I use them on the hotter-running driver tubes, but not on the more vibration-critical inputs.)
The ARC LS 25 I bought used last fall came with Amperex NOS tubes and Hal-O-Dampers. Only thing I can say: the dampers do look cool. Do they affect the sound? As you have all realised: I'm too deaf to know! One thing I can say about dampers is that the stock ones from ARC I also got with the line stage were installed in the PH 3 phono stage. Result? Damn I can't hear any difference! So I must be deaf, or else I simply lack that extra bit of imagination a true high-ender can't live without. Good day.