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neutrality vs musicality

I start this thread hoping people will say their views - there are clearly no answers, and this is pure forum banter, but it will be nice to have such discussion.

I had always thought that the 'the Absolute Sound' is the correct sound model - ie based on fidelity to the original source. To this end I have bought products to attain these goals.

However, I do wonder if this aspiration to neutrality is in fact complete nonsense. I say this for the following reasons:

1. In typical living room here in the UK (9 x 4m) the idea of having a system create a rock concert or full orchestra is not possible. We are in essence creating an illusion - and that is the starting point of detraction from the original sound/source;

2. The SPL of live musicians and the dynamic swings, cannot be reproduced unless in the rarified cases of those who can buy large Rockports (or the like) and have sufficient space;

3. When was the last time any of got to hear wholly unamplified live music - Small London Jazz clubs amplify drums, vocals, horns, and pianos in venues no larger than half a tennis court.

When we go on the upgrade path, we tend to get more of something - whether it be more bass, cleaner treble, whatever - so does that take us closer to neutral - or does it bring about the emphasis within that part of the recording.

I had the chance of hearing a modified Lenco and a Funked up Linn on the same day. I had never really given much either attention - always dismissing the Linn for being 'musical' but if truth be told I thought it was absolutely wonderful - truly enjoyable. It may have been musical, but perhaps being musical is actually closer to neutrality than any other perceived notion on the simple basis that Musicians ordinarily seek to communicate a musical message, and no doubt some enjoyment through their medium of music.

So I guess I leave it at this - is 'Musical' the true neutrality?
lohanimal
newbee
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Too many false gods around for me. When you define 'musical' I'll be in a better position to respond. For that matter take a shot at defining 'neutrality' unless you mean the obvious, replicating the recorded signal.

Of course neither replicating a live performance nor replicating a recording of a live performance, in an absolute sense, can be achieved, but you can at lease get closer to achieving your goal if you are shooting at replicating the recorded performance. But, even then, you really can't get it done, you just spend your time trying, a hobby many here really enjoy. Playing with sound! It really is fun!!!!! But there is no holy grail here in audioland only a bunch of anal and opiniated nuts. :-)

FWIW, 'musical' is for me that time when I sit down in the sweet spot, put on a recording, and really access the performancer's and composer's art without thinking of any of the things so freely attributed to audio systems and the recording processes, i.e. the spacial and tonal nature of the sound created by engineers (and subsequently designers, manufacturers, and end users) to 'enhance' the recorded sound and thereby create an allusion of either bringing the music into your home (not so much I think) or taking you to the performance, usually the latter I assume.

IMHO, the amount of time you spend achieving either of these goals is in inverse proportion to the amount of time you actually spend just enjoying the sounds, i.e. music that just sounds (more) natural.

Enjoy your music.
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nonoise
10,569 posts
 
This has been debated to death numerous times but it still begs the question as there really is no satisfactory answer.

All I can add is to enjoy what you have until you can find/afford better, going slow, gaining insight along the way. You'll find, as others and I have, that you tend to go in circles, covering older ground in the quest for newer.

What was of paramount importance can be swiftly knocked down by some other performance parameter you discover. Once present, it gels with the former which you thought was lacking. It was only needed for that other ingredient to make it whole. It's the old sum is greater than the parts meme.

There are lots of parts and too much can be made of one aspect over others.
Like Newbee says, enjoy the music.

All the best,
Nonoise
rlwainwright
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If you are enjoying what you are hearing, who cares what anyone else thinks? Don't waste your time and money chasing the "perfect system"!! As others have already said: Sit back and enjoy the music!!

-RW-
david12
1,454 posts
 
Precisely RLwainwright, but it is a subject that keeps these forums going forever and leads to endless disputes, partly because they are hard to define.

I know what I mean by the distinction, "neutrality" is ultra detailed, dry, does'nt distort any part of the frequency spectrum and for me, is dull as dishwater. Musicality often has some midrange warmth, the music is dynamic and envolving and is ultimately enjoyable, despite it's faults. I am NOT putting this forward as a universal definition, just what I feel about and where my loyalties lie.

The archetypal neutral sound, for me, is what you hear from the likes of Focal and Wilson speakers. I get what they are trying to do, but I could'nt possibly live with them.
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