Wilson MAXX

I had an opportunity the other day to compare Wilson MAXX 1 with WATT PUPPY 7 in a friend's house. Quite to my surprise, WATT PUPPY 7 was superior in almost all frequencies and I wonder how is it possible that MAXX which is almost 3 times more expensive sounded so dull compared to WATT PUPPY 7. The midrange was congested and tweeter lacked the icy impression and openness and bass was not tight and so on....
I am really confused how is it possible. My frinds who have MAXX and were present in the audition had the same feeling and I do not know if anyone has an answer since the set up and room acoustics were the same during the audiotion?
Thanks if anyone has an opinion!!
It may be too hard to beat what has become a classic - the Watt Puppy - even for the manufacturer.
Ratings are just ratings, and should be taken with care, but some years ago a German magazine preferred the Watt Puppy 7 with the Watchdog subwoofer to the MAXX2.
I auditioned the Max 3 and the Sashas in the same room with the same electronics at a dealer in Scottsdale. While both of these speakers are a couple of iterations beyond your original question, both my wife and I had the same experience and we prefered the Sashas. The Max played bigger, with a taller soundstage, and more bass impact. But the Sashas were much more coherent with better imaging and better overall tonal balance from bass through the treble. The room was about 20 X 25 X 9.

Room and set-up obviously play a key role. In spite of what some folks at Wilson say, I think you need a very large room for the Max and need to sit far enough away for the drivers to integrate properly.
Maxx 1 ,....watt/puppy version 7 , are you getting the point?
Technical designs are a process.
MAXX 1's were a bit incoherent! When I owned them they sounded like separate drivers instead of a wall of sound; and the tweeter was a bit etched. They killed my Watt/Puppy 5.1's however. I agree that sitting too close they don't sound their best even with the time alignment system designed into the model. I find my MAXX 2's superior in every way; much smoother top to bottom; much smoother, musical tweeter, great articulate bass with excellent extension. I actually prefer my 2's to the MAXX 3's which I have listen to at three different stores; one with Lamm; another with Krell and third with Boulder system. For me the Lamm was most musical, but lacked low end heft and volume. Next favorite was with Krell, last was Boulder. I'd love to know the electronics others were listening to when they felt the bass was poor. Set up of Wilson's take time and patience and very small placement adjustments can reap huge sound gains or losses!
I measure also a lot on loudspeakers for a hobby / commercially and indeed you need a certain distance from a loudspeaker to not measure individual units but the som of the outputs , this is especially he case with larger models like the big wilsons , stereophlle has tested/measurements on a couple of maxx es if you look at those frequency measurements you have an idea if its corresponds with what you hear .
Speakerplacement is also very important ,you can see that in the measurments too
Not surprising 2 different speakers arent both going to cut it in the same room.Just a thought,cheers,Bob
for those w/ experience, what is minimum distance one has to sit away from maxx's in order to get proper blending of drivers? (and i assume this is for the MTM module, as bass is omnidirectional, yes?)
As i said before http://stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/wilson_audio_specialties_maxx_series_3_loudspeaker/index6.html

here is the measurement of the 3 , he puts the microphone on 1 measurement on the same spot as the ear would be in a certain listening room( mike fremer ), as english is not mu first language i dont know exactly when he means degrees or distance , he probaly measured the MTM and also the total output including Bass unit "in a certain room "

For my own designs the minimum distance is 2,5 meters , bass is omnidirectional yes , i dont exactly know from which exact frequency , anyway i find the bass output fairly complicated to measure correctly.

You can also ask a wilson dealer , if you find somebody with a good frequencyresponse measuring tool he could then measure exactly what you hear on the hearingspot and what changes as you move the speakers , and the measure again
And here the Maxx http://stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/324/index6.html , the puppy 7 is also tested somewhere in the archive , maybe somewhere is mentioned what the minimum listening distance will be for the Maxx , W/P series .

Good magazine stereophile , i bought my sme 20 just on mike fremers recommendation ,i 've never heard it .
This also very important in answering the topicstarter expirience , its from the maxx measurment ,....listening height:

With respect to the way in which the speaker's response changes with listening height, the midband region changes quickly off-axis, due to the significant vertical separation between the pair of midrange drivers. Even so, any change was minimal over a ±7.5 degrees window, the worst-case difference being 6dB from 700Hz to 2kHz. The wisdom of the slight mid lift seen on-axis is apparent. For the speaker to "sound" correct, the forward "energy" must be in balance. Over a 30 degrees vertical window, the MAXX's midrange output averages to flat uniformity.
How big is the room? If you're not pushing 400+ square feet minimum, then you are too small for the Maxx.