My office room has the following dimensions, 10W x 11.5L x 9H. Not very big but would work OK with a stand mount speaker. This room is only going to be needed for about 1 to 2 years and then I move to a bigger room where a floor stander would work. I have the following 2 speaker choices that I am debating for my small office.
1) KEF Reference 1 with Lyngdrof. Use for a few years and then change to a floor stander, such as the Magico A3.
2) Magico A3 with Lyngdorf. Maybe suffer for a few years in the small room until I move to the new room. I have never heard this combo.
I have heard the KEF Reference 1 with various types of amps and love that speaker. I have heard the Magico A3 with both various Mark Levinson gear and Benchmark gear (AHB2 + DAC3L). Loved it with the ML gear so much so that I sold the Benchmark gear (I liked it with the Benchmark). My thinking was I would buy the Magico A3 and ML 585 for the office. However, when I finally picked a house, the ugly room size made a surprising entry into the equation. So room correction became a top priority.
I am typing this as I listen to the Class D Peachtree Nova 150 with KEF LS50’s and it sounds good in my bedroom. So I have an open mind to the Class D Lyngdorf.
Can any of you Lyngdorf fans advise me as to what would be the better choice of the 2 speakers I listed with the Lyngdrof in the small room? I like both speakers so my question is about the integration of either speaker into this small room with the Lyngdorf. The A3 would be my longer term choice, 2 years down the line in the bigger office. Can the A3 be room corrected into this small space? Are the Magico A3 and the Lyngdorf a good combination even if room correction was not needed?
BTW - Tomorrow, I have my Audience 1+1 V3 speaker coming back from Audience after an upgrade. This is what I will use with maybe a tube amp if neither the KEF Ref 1 or Magico A3 sound good with the Lyngdorf (hedging my bet) otherwise I will likely sell the 1+1.
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@grey9hound Thanks for the feedback. I was going to send you a private message on this if no one answered my question. I have read some of your posts on the Lyngdorf. |
Hi Lyngdorfians,
I wanted to ask this question to this group since I already asked this question to a Lyngdorf dealer.
I am going to move tomorrow to a new house. The home office room where I will have my system is small, 10.5W x 11L x 9H. I am going to buy the Lyngdorf 3400 to drive some new speakers.
The question is which speaker to get.
My 2 choice are the KEF Reference 1 or the Magico A3. The Lyngdorf dealer mentioned to me that a speaker with a small foot print such as the 2 I have mentioned would work. Can any of you add your experiences using the Lyngdorf in such a small room? Were you able to use a floor stander?
I would prefer the A3 because I already have stand mount type speakers, Audience 1+1 V3 and KEF LS50 in other rooms. I am likely going to sell the Audience 1+1 once I get the new speaker for the office.
I want to get a bit more bass in my sound than I have had with the Audience and LS50. |
@velomane Thanks for the great feedback. I am semi done setting up my office and I think I will follow your advice and get the KEF Ref 1. Why take the change with the A3. Just looking at the space tells me I may have issues. I did manage to get a few extra cubic feet of space in the room. I removed the closet door and stuck my bookshelf and part of my desk in the closet space. I was eyeing taking of some of the closet wall but I likely would be in trouble. Not a great space still but your feedback gives me confidence that the Ref 1 will sound great. |
I have a small room that is in the process of getting room treatments from GIK Acoustics. I am considering the 3400 and was wondering if having room treatments is a detriment to the functionality of the Room Perfect system. I would assume it would not but wanted to verify with some actual RP users.
I have not decided on speakers yet.
BTW - are there any dealers that provide for home demos of the 3400? |
Found this little nugget on the following thread. So maybe the 3400 is not ideal for my room, due to the treatments. https://www.avforums.com/threads/lyngdorf-discussion-thread.1580956/page-4"
This is why after spending 20 years or so learning about room design, we no longer recommend specialist acoustic design and treatment in the majority of rooms where Steinway Lyngdorf systems will be used. If you read the threads where Steinway Lyngdorf systems are demonstrated at shows you will notice they are always in completely untreated rooms. Many other manufacturers spent a fortune building the best spaces to show off their systems at shows and still don’t get the same feedback as Steinway. See below. Compare the cost of the systems and the room designs and Steinway Lyngdorf systems are often a fraction of the price of the high end alternatives being show." |
Feedback from Lyngdorf on whether Room Treatments can be used with Lyngdorf Room Perfect:
"hi
you do not ’need to’ remove anything
- but if you have ex. a bass-trap, we would recommend removing it, as having RoomPerfect removing energy from the signal is better for the speakers, than removing energy from the room through the bass trap
Best regards
Flemming Smith
LYNGDORF AUDIO"
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Rereading this long thread I saw the following quote. Lyngdorf will need the following to sound its best;
- let it burn in for at least 200 hours before any decision making critical listening
- needs a good power cord and conditioner
- leave it fully on. It sounds much better after being on 12 hours. Leave it on, not in standby. |
I went and demoed the Lyngdorf 2170 with Paradigm Persona 5F speakers. They are not that hard to drive. I was not impressed by the amplification on the Lyngdorf. When I switched to Lyngdorf pre-amp output to a Simaudio 860A amp the sound was incredible. Now I am a little puzzled by this given the raves that people on here are stating about the Lyngdorf. I did not have ROOM Perfect enabled since the room was rather nice to work with.
My question here is, does the amplification stage of the Lyngdorf need a lot of hours to sound good? This was a demo unit at a dealer. I forgot to ask how many hours it had on it. Though the preamp section sounded incredible. The unit was not plugged in when I came into the store and I got the impression it had not been played for a while.
I am considering doing a comparison of the Lyngdorf with the Linn SELEKT DSM with DSP enabled. You can ditch the amplification module on the Linn, and use an external amp, but you cannot remove the amp on the Lyngdorf. However, given my research on the various flavors of DSP and my demo of the Lyngdorf I am inclined to buy the Lyngdorf and a separate power amp. More costly to me but I need a DSP preamp and the Lyngdorf seems like it has a good combination of ease of use and quality (except maybe the amp).
Anybody using a separate amp with the Lyngdorf? Are you also hearing improved sound with the separate amp? Or did I just experience a demo of an 2170 amplification stage needed more running in?
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@grannyring You state that the Lyngdorf is not meant to be used with a separate amp. The only reason this could be is if the signal from the preamp to the amp is further adjusted via ROOM PERFECT. I did not use RP in my demo so maybe I missed that part. One thing we did do was turn of the sub-woofer output on the 2170. When it was on the Simaudio sounded awful (as expected). The observation of the dealer and myself with the SimAudio amp in the chain was that the sound was really good. He said that it was the best he had heard the Paradigm Person 5F. They usually use MAC equipment with the Persona. When you consider the MAC DSP unit licensed from Lyngdorf I picture it doing the DSP and then outputting a DSPed analog signal to an external amp. https://www.mcintoshlabs.com/products/specialty-products/MEN220I think I need to email Lyngdorf and ask them on this separate amp issue I am bringing up. |
@bullitt5094 I only have a pair of KEF LS50's left at home. I needed to evaluate this unit with more demanding speakers.
The dealer has offered to have a DSP shootout for me in his glass walled conference room. It is slightly bigger than my room but it has 2 or 3 sides with glass panels. It is an awful room acoustically. He offered to demo the DSP on the Lyngdorf | Linn SELEKT DSM | Anthem STR. I will take him up on the offer though I am inclined to go with the Lyngdorf based on the preamp sound I heard.
My issue was with the amplification but as I mentioned above I will talk with Lyngdorf to get their opinion.
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@aniwolfe Thanks for the feedback. I really loved the sound of the preamp on the 2170. If I get the 3400, which I expect too, I will give it the 400 hours and enable RP. I need DSP in my small now treated room. I am hoping to get some speakers that may not be suitable for this small room. It really depends on what the DSP is capable of doing.
If I feel that the amp does not make me happy then an external amp will always be a safety net. I will wait on feedback from Lyngdorf to this external amp question before I make a buy decision on the 3400. I emailed them earlier today.
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The Lyngdorf web site does not seem to have the preamp only version. If it did I would have just bought that and be done with. I want to get the latest software bits on the RoomPerfect and it seems to me that they have discontinued the preamp only model.
The cabling that was used in the demo was expensive hi-end stuff. I think it was called Straight Wire. I am not sure if a conditioner was used. I have good wires at home and also a conditioner that works for me, Torus RM 15. Only uncertainty on the demo was the amount of hours on the Lyngdorf unit.
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If anyone is interested on Lyngdorf's feedback to my question. Here it is: 1. If I were to use the XLR analog output of the 3400 and then input the analog signal to a external amplifier, would I be loosing out on the capabilities of the 3400. I under stand I would lose out on the 3400 amplification but what about the ROOM PERFECT sound quality. Would I degrade the capabilities of ROOM PERFECT by using an external analog amp? I would turn off sub-woofer output on the 3400. I demoed the system this way (but without RP) and it sounded good. I am going back for a RP demo in a short while. Answer: "you can set the outputs freely, RoomPerfect just needs a full stereo playback for its calibration " I also asked them if a slim speaker worked best with RoomPerfect. I either read that somewhere or someone told me the urban audio legend. Answer:; "we have never heard of any comments as to slim front profiles being better" Sounds like I can buy the 3400 confident an external amp will also work with RoomPerfect. |
@jerzy777 What speakers are you planning to use? |
