Totem Forest or Mani-2 signature?


I am looking for a pair of Totem speakers that will work well with Bel Canto Ref1000 monoblocks.

So far I have only auditioned the Forest and Staff (with the Ref1000 too) but have not had a chance to try the Mani-2.

For those Totem owners out there, could you give me some suggestions? as how they compare and stuff... Thanks!
metronet

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At this very moment, I currently have a set of Sttaf’s, Forest’s, and Mani-2 Signatures in my abode. I also ran a set of Hawk’s roughly two or so years ago. They all make great music. You could say that I dig on the Totem sound.

I’m drawn to each and every speaker listed above. Each one of them is different and brings something truly unique to the table. That said, I do not necessarily agree with some of the notions that you will attain exceptional aural gains as you ascend on up the Totem pole. For example;

The Mani-2 Signatures are awesome loudspeakers, no doubt about it. However, they are also very finicky monitors that come with a laundry list of requirements to strut their stuff. First, you need the right space. Next, you will need high end components (cha ching), most notably a beast of an amplifier (cha ching), great high quality stands (cha ching) and then you need to have lots of patience for room placement and set-up. You don’t pick where the Mani-2 goes, it will tell you when it’s happy. It’s something of a diva, but when you get everything working just right, boy can she sing. With that said, if you’re a rocker, you may actually prefer the Sttaf or the Forest.

The Sttaf is an under-rated speaker. Most people think it’s a drop and plop product, but actually, it too can be pretty exacting. To understand what the Sttaf can do, it needs to be placed in a small, closed off room. It then should be fed a high quality tube amp (and no, I’m not referring to Jolida products or things of that nature), along with a good CD player. Once you get them dialed in, you will get amazing tone, along with voicing that will sound pretty damned good – even with rock and roll.

Even the Hawk, a speaker which is in my opinion – one of Vince’s better designs, can be incredibly finicky. Despite sharing similar dimensions with the Sttaf, it requires a big (closed off) room and real high quality tube amplification (such as BAT). When set up right, this speaker is stunning – and in my opinion may be the better sounding of the group when it comes to light classical and jazz.

Out of the group, the Forest is by far the most versatile. It’s extremely efficient, it works well on virtually all solid state and tube topologies, it performs well in a variety of rooms, is not too fussy with placement and positioning, sports great dynamic range, bass and treble extension, and captures all of the main elements Totem is known for. No, doesn’t have the speed and finesse of the Hawk, the balance and musicality of the Mani-2, or the exceptional tone and deep layered soundstage of the Sttaf – but it’s a great all-around loudspeaker that’s an easy go-to for most listening situations – stereo or HT.

Of course, all of the above is little more than a collection of my own experiences and opinions. Obviously, others may likely share opposing views. Those are mine, so make of em’ what you will.

Although I admit to not being a big fan of the Bel Canto digital gear - I’d say the Forest will be your safest bet. That’s the direction I would point you towards.
Metronet,

Both the Forest and the Mani-2 play nice with class D amplification. I've powered both of them with my H2O Signature 100 with splendid results. Of course, that amp uses a beefy linear dual mono power supplies and is stable down to 1/4th of an ohm..so neither speaker put up much of a challenge for it.

Most decent class D amps, even ones that use fairly inexpensive switching power supplies (like NuForce, Bel Canto, etc) should be able to handle the Mani-2. Class D typically doesn't struggle with resistive loads so much as they do with active loads (think full range electrostats). Since that's not happening here, I wouldn't really concern yourself over which speaker will 'mate' better with class D topology.

I also wouldn't concern yourself over someones highly subjective rants on a product. The bottom line is that if you search hard enough - you're going to find someone saying something negative about every loudspeaker, amp, what have you - in the industry. The reason why there are so many different designs in the market is because there are that may people who feel differently about how to attain the same goal.

Also, Stricken is completely off base with his comments regarding the drivers Totem uses. Totem uses the Hi-Vi driver in the Forest only. However, Dynaudio drivers are used in the: Model 1 Signature, Model 1 Twin, The One, Mani-2 Signature, and the Wind.

Since I can't edit my post (to correct my horrible grammar), I am posting here to correct a slight mistake regarding my above riffs on class D. I should have said "reactive loads" instead of "active loads". Cheers.
Hello Metro,

Wow, bringing the life back into this thread after two years eh? To take a stab at your question:

Will 80 solid watts of juice be enough to power the Mani-2? YES, provided that you don't plan on playing them in a huge room or cranking things up to concert/like sound pressure levels. NO if you do.
Maverick,

As Bdgregory said, you can drive the Mani-2's just fine with as little as 30 watts. Whether or not that kinda current is sufficient hinges largely on how loud Metro plans on taking the system, and the kind of experience he is looking to get from it. If he wants to play soft music at fairly modest volumes, than the aforementioned Accuphase should be just fine.

However, if he wants to crank things up a bit and enjoy more of a live / life-like experience, then he will have to put more juice through those Mani-2's. A lot more.