Dear @amg56: """
Halfway? Are the top end cartridges 4x the performance of the low end performers? """
quality levels does not jump in the same quantity. When we have say a cartridge that performs at 90% quality level against the very best that performs at 99%.
Pass from 95% to 99% is extremely difficult task for the manufacturer that needs not only knowledge and skills but a lot of tests and time consuming that when the cartridge new model comes out in the market the MK2 version price is to high that we can think as you: that maybe is not justified because only 4% better.
No, it's not 4x performance of the low end models. It can't be but what is for sure is that the top ones are better and for you can attest it you have to own a system that can tell you the differences for the better.
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Dear @tomwh : So where is your contribution to the audiophile in this forum?
In a forum like this posts are opinions and I think that every single opinion from any gentleman here must gives his opinion always adding the " facts " that could confirm or not that opinion.
I can see/read that till this time you share nothing that could help to each one of us. Why don't do it?
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Dear @tomwh : """
Raul I have played in marching, concert, stage bands and orchestras. I play jazz at home. I also build all my own turntables, arms, power supplies and amps, phono stages etc... ."""
and that means?? please let me understand what you try to say.
"" Anyone who is in the know and can hear and feel music knows your so called understanding of distortion has little meaning in the end of the game of real music. """
how is that because in a live event when you are seated in the near field the experience is way way different that the " same " one in a home audio system/room experiences where you need not only to be aware of different kind of distortions but to discern which kind of distortions/noise is and find out where its comes from.
Almost nothing of these happens in a live event .
Here too I can't understand what do you want to tell? why fruitless?
Again, we can't compare in anyway a live event against any home audio system.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
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Dear @tomwh : """
, I want it to sound like real music. When is the last time you went to a concert, club, etc a... """
Well a good walkman can do it, just a joke. Nothing can sound as real music but live music.
Btw, I attend at least one day each week to listen live music that's my main reference.
Almost each one of us have different home audio room/system targets mine is to stay nearer to the recording and my room/systems was and is developed around that target.
That target means too that as nearer to the recording we are as nearer to that " real music " you said.
To stay nearer to the recording there are forbiden audio items that in no order could be: tubes, SUTs, unipivots, cooper wires and so on.
To stay nearer to the recording we have to fine tune, test after test and understand each link at the room/system chain. Understand what the cartridge signal needs what is asking for that delicated signal that is pick-up for the cartridge stylus tip as vibrations/movements and then converted on electrical " sound ".
Preserve the integrity of that cartridge signal is my main goal trying to mantain at minimum everykind of noise/distortions generated at each single system link till the signal arrives to my beloved ears/brain.
To achieve that kind of purity in the cartridge signal we have to take care and to have deep knowledge levels and skills in several critical audiophile subjects including to own a self bullet proof method/proccess for tests and evaluations of that audio room/system.
So you need all that stuff knowledge that for you is only BS but obviously due that your target is different from mine you care about other priorities. Your privilege.
Again , as nearer to the recording as nearer to the MUSIC.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
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Dear @lewm : I'm totally sure that this Ortofon 100th anniversary is a must to have or at least listen it in a top audio system we truly know its quality level performance.
The design of this cartridge, as is its price, is a total departure from what Ortofon showed through all those years where they never try to use " sophisticated materials or mystic build histories or marketing hipes " to design and to market and fix the item prices.
Ortofon is a total/100% of knowledge and skills at every single " sigth " surrounded its designs for it can works always in favor of MUSIC.
The Windfeld or the A90/95 are extraordynary performers but its price is extremely reasonably against the top models with other manufacturers as can be Koetsu or Clearaudio or even Lyra or Air Tigth.
With this Ortofon cartridge they use diamond to build the cantilever for the very first time and I'm sure that the replicant 100 stylus for this cartridge is expressely hand selected.
You have at least two LOMC cartridges that came from Ortofon: the 7500 and the 2000 where you can attest what I'm saying here. No marketing hipes, only true/real design and excecution design to quality levels no one can even it.
Ortofon pedigree talks for them.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
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Dear @daveyf : "
Do you know that a ss active high gain phono preamp is designed expressely for that kind of job. Expressely to handle with absolutely aplomb those very low cartridge output levels? "
as every thing in audio can be good and not so good designs but any decent design even my statement characteristics in a phono stage design.
The real problem with low output or very low output cartridges is to achieve the rigth gain with LOW NOISE
Anyway, thank's for your response.
Btw, tubes? well a walkman can makes " sound " too. So what? that's does not means can make the rigth sound.
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Dear @invictus005: @cardani posted: " I wonder if.... " and makes sense to wonedr about but you said: " no way " with out any true foundation because as good the 2M Black is maybe the Concorde coulkd be in the same league or even beats it. or not. Don't you think so?
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Dear @daveyf : "
I can think of no tube phono stages that will work well with a cartridge that has between 0.125 and 0.2 Mv of output. "
not for that output level and for any other output level, tubes are not for home audio system MUSIC/SOUND enjoyment.
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age old argument has been that the less wire the less loss. IMHO, that is a bogus argument. What is lost by the necessity to have either an SUT or a “stressed” ss phono preamp, easily outweighs any gains in the minimization of the wiring. "
bogus?, obviously you have no idea what you are talking about and confirm it your " stressed " ss phono preamp.
Do you know that a ss active high gain phono preamp is designed expressely for that kind of job. Expressely to handle with absolutely aplomb those very low cartridge output levels?
or according to you an amplifier with 300 watts by channel in 8 ohms spec is " stressed " and with more poor quality performance than an amplifier with 40 watts design?
what in a hell are you talking about?, each audio designer designs according the specific needs on what his design will be used where the designer always takes in count that the design stays far away from any kind of distress. Got it?
Did you read something like designed overload safety margin or amplifier power headroom or .... or ?
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Dear friends: As in deep as I'm with Ortofon I did not know that they started with FILM SOUND. Ortofon is a true ICON in the Audio Industry and perhaps no one knows so many about cartridge design or at least are second to none: Ortofon pedigree is astonishing/outstanding and we can read why and obviously the ones with Ortofon first hand audio experiences at their home: https://www.ortofon.com/about/development this is the very first time ( and the best time to do it. ) that ORTOFON use diamond cantilevers in this Anniversary LOMC design. The cartridge must be something, at least, listening it in a top audio system. https://www.ortofon.com/about/timelineRegards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Dear @stringreen : The Windfeld is something to own and its output is 0.3mv. As I said balls and drive are there, you only have to have the rigth system to ask for.
I can think that the new Windfeld Ti with’s lower 0.2mv output is even a better quality performer than the great one you own.
Maybe, time of an up-date? or maybe the 100th anniversary !
Btw, I ask @mikelavigne to chime on the LOMC 100th anniversary because when the Anna began and seen the " ligth " for the very firt time was Mike one of the first audiophiles in the audio world to own/listen it before the cartridges were at the Ortofon distributors. Maybe this time too.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
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Dear @invictus005: The " balls " are there and plenty only waiting to " handle " it in adequated ways.
Everything the same a 0.18mv always will performs with better highquality performance than one at 0.5mv. No doubt about.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
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Dear @pbnaudio : Now I understand the davey post. You are rigth that was never a to serious issue.
Good active SS designs is all what we need for very LOMC cartridges like some of the Ortofon models but even through top SUTs its quality level performance is second to none.
I used the MC2000 with excellent results even that's output level is only 0.05mv ! !
Always is an advantage to have wire winding coils at minimum especially there because as more length on the coil wires as more degradation can comes.
Obviously that does not exist a perfect cartridge and Ortofon are not, always exist trade-offs but if the main target in a cartridge design is a little different from busine$$ then designers looks for a better equilibrium as Ortofon that in its top LOMC cartridges never choosed for a little higher output.
Rigth now I'm enjoying my re-borns special MC 3000MK2 with an output level 0.125mv and its quality performance is just gorgeous where we almost can't ask for more and this is an Ortofon vintage design older than the one you name it and better than the 70. My special 3000MK2 can even the performance of the MC A90 and surpass easily the very good Jubilee or the 7500.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
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Dear @daveyf : Sorry for my ignorance but what do you mean with " zip for output?.
Appreciate you can explain me in some other words that my bad english can understand.
Thank's in advance.
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