The Beatles Revolver


Just read where Giles Martin is using  AI-powered audio separation technology to remix Revolver. From what I read he can take the mono tracks and separate all the instruments and vocals on the 4 track tape the were recorded on and then I guess remix them in 24 track or whatever he wants. Is this good? I love The Beatles and no matter how much better it my sound it not the same. They had what they had in 1966. And George Martin did wonders with 4 tracks. Where does this reissuing of classic albums stop. Is Revolver remixed in multi tracks still Revolver?

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@lenmc2964 

Do you if the original master tapes used for the UK pressing ?

Do you have a mono cartridge ?

I ordered the 2 vinyl record edition based on how much I liked the 50th anniversary versions of Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road as well as the mono versions of both .

As for the information or disinformation of the recording technique the Beatles used 4 track recording for all releases except Abbey road which was 8 track .  But this does not mean that Giles had only 4 tracks to work with since the Beatles would record on the 4 tracks and mix them down so they could have many tapes that were used to create the final 4 track version , so all these tracks can now be edited using a 32 or 64 track tape .

" Artistic Interpretation "  I like Jimi Hendrix's version of the Star Spangled Banner much better that that of the original British pub drinking song .

" All About The Money "

Is it the fans wanting more or the " capitalists " creating a market ?

Either way what does this have to do with the question about  the new release being different and the quality of it ?   

I'll be answering that question after October 28th when the 2 LP issues is released and I can compare it to a 2009 digital copy and the last all analogue Japanese Box set copy .

@jafant 

1st I was misguided about a 2LP release , it was a 2CD release .

OK so now strike 1 , the album was shaped like a dinner plate !  I had to drive back to the record store where they replaced it , making sure this copy was flat .

Back on the turntable and Wow  a home run ,voices were centered and now so clear that you can hear every nuance , instruments that were in the background are now clear yet not overpowering or any louder .   I compared it to the 2009 digital stereo mix that was made from the original tapes , this is also the copy that Giles used for his remix . I also compared it to a 1982 Japanese pressing from the Beatles Collection box set .  

For originality the Beatles Collection Kicks Ass , skip the 2009 pressing , this new release is definitely worth having .

To prepare myself for listening and comparing I used the 25th Anniversary copies of Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road and came to the conclusion that the re-mixing of the 4 track release of Sgt. Pepper turned out much better than the 8 track re-mixing of Abbey . I prefered my 1976 British copy and 1982 Japanese Collection box set copy of Abbey Road .

I didn't use copies of mono pressing during my comparison .  

 

 

 

@ozzy 

I'll have to listen to the album a few more times but saying the music is sharp is interesting because when comparing it to older pressing I'd say yes but I could also say that the older ones sound a little flat depending on which pressing when comparing .  One thing I've noticed about new music is the balance between voices and all the instruments where in older music ( 60's & 70"s ) some of the instruments were to much in the background and some to much of the time there was to much left and right verse the balanced approach the Giles created .

@jafant 

I had to look up the Bread Box set since I don't follow CD's , but I do have Rubber Soul , Revolver and Magical Mystery Tour CD's from 1987 , US EMI .

@gpgr4blu 

I agree with your statement   " Giles' remaster is closer to what I think the Beatles would have gone with had they been mixing it today . "  That is why I think that he had a harder time improving the Abbey Road album being how it's the only one that was recorded using 8-tracks .  Damn those conservative cheapskates at EMI .

@jafant 

Are the Japanese SHM-CD's better sounding than other ones , like the Bread Box set or newer CD releases ?

 

@jafant  and All

I had to take a break from listening to the Beatles , but after reading comments on the forum What's On Your Turntable Tonight and talking to the owner of House of Records here in Eugene I had to go back and listen some more .

It seems that the 2014 mono version ( I have the LP only ) is preferred or well liked,  I was informed that the cowbell was missing in the new re-mix !  Well is is there but less pronounced than on the mono version , listening to the 2009 digital from the original masters  , the 1982 Beatles Collection and to the 1987 CD they all have a less pronounced cowbell .  

There are differences between the original stereo mix and the original mono mix just as there are now new differences between the original stereo nad the new Giles re-mix .  Question  for those with an original mono and the 2014 remastered, do you here any differences ?

jafant. I would like to think that when the original master tapes were sent to Japan in 1982 for MOFI to make their 1/2 speed masters that the Beatles Collection was able to use the masters but since the Collection was started in 1978 with a UK pressing. and MOFI was pressed by JVC and the Collection was pressed by Toshiba / EMI it's hard to say .