Teres, Galibier and Redpoint

Dan ed- Do you know why Redpoint does not couple the arm and bearing? I could give Peter a call but I'll wait until after the holidays. Aesthetics don't mean much to me but I kinda go for the Redpoint's anodized red model. I have seen a Teres 340 and it's truly beautiful. The review of Galibier seemed incomplete to me. Jumping from a Grahim Robin arm to a Schroeder is to great a leap.

Meby - As far as my Avid is concerned, I really have nothing negative to say about it. It is overmatched, price-wise, by my arm and I do want to get another cartridge (maybe a Lyra Titan instead of my Helicon). The Volvere is the first model in its lineup. Eventually I want to reach my idea of analog nirvana and I think the three models above will closer reach it. The arm and cart can only take what the table gives them. I'm itchin to find out what else is out there. Count me in for the diseased audiophile club.

Guys - This is great! All three tables use a DC motor. Which I think is the better choice, as is the battery option.

Now that CES is over, I would like to keep the above question going. I've discovered that there are some opinions out there that say the Galibier and Redpoint tables have more PRaT than the Teres. ???????

Doug - Thanks for the info on the belt. It's amazing that it would make that big an improvement.

Dan ed - No, I have not made a decision yet and I'm probably not any closer to making one. It depends what side of the bed I get up on. I'm sure all three of the models would be great. But since I've started this thread there seems to be some well thought out arguments concerning the high mass designs lacking PRaT and that the table I own being much better than I knew. So I'm still investigating and would truly appreciate any and all opinions on this issue.

HI guys - being the person who started this thread I thought I'd keep you up to date on my decision making and fact gathering. First, I've yet to make any analog changes but I've added a power conditioner and super tweeters. Strange but true. But what is amazing is that the combination of these two budget tweeks have improved my sound a real lot. The conditioner (Chang Lightspeed) has blackened the background with no apparent strangling of dynamics. The super tweeters have improved the overall imaging and coherence, not really just the high treble.

Where I'm leaning analog wise is to keep my Avid table and upgrade my motor and cartridge when budget allows. After all my fact finding, without hearing a damn thing, I dont believe an approximate 8K investment in a high mass table will give me a high enough percent improvement to warrent the bucks. Believe me, I'd like to see a 150 pound table on my rack but opinions are down the middle on the above questions. But tomorrow I may change my mind.

Since Cello's moniker has been brought up, I've been trying to reach you off and on as well, like for the last year! And I live in South Florida!! Cello/Larry, are you alive or do you have a beard typing for you?

I'm going to see my first Galibier table today. I'll report on my impressions tonight.

Well, I spent 3 hours listening to the Galibier Gavia with a Moerch arm and a Van Den Hull Black Beuty. Black background and a very tight sense of image focus. It's tough to point out the sonic attributes of the table because all of the electronics were of very high quality as well. But the Galabier was solid and very nicely machined. I was impressed. Because of the seperate motor unit, your rack will require a minimum 23" base to hold both components. My Sistrum rack, as is, would only hold the table.

A guy in South Florida (Sanibel Island). Nice set-up.

Thom - Thanks for responding. I really liked your table. Do you think your platform will effect sonics negatively in any way?

RWD - The platter was the graphite Stelvio. Nicely machined and slick looking. The table was an anodized gray. Understated, not striking. Redpoint's red anodizing looks more nifty to me. But it's just aesthetics. BTW, Thom's right about the Micro Seiki arm. My mistake.

Thanks for the education. It has been fascinating. Now, to complicate things further, has anyone compared some of the finest high mass, unsuspended designs (Galibier, Teres, Redpoint, etc., etc.,) with the finest suspended designs (Avid, Oracle, etc., etc.,). We probably know the arguements for both sides by now and that execution is more important than which design. Are there any small Galibier-like shops that manufacturer suspended designs? I think I recognize that any choice, as long as the arm/cartridge/table combo is synergistic, will be a good one, but are we really sure all the damping/weight, done very well, is the better choice. As I've said when I started this thread I have a suspended Avid Volvere and was looking to upgrade. One thing I believe is that with my table and Systrum rack (which drains and doesn't damp) the vibration just floooows into my concrete floor. But, also, my choice to a/b borders on nill. Anyone have anything to volunteer in this area?