Speaker shootout update; aggressive treble eliminating some (fairly?)


I've been trying out speakers in a complicated shoot out, both bookshelves and towers — all in my home with my gear. I'm looking for speakers obtainable up to about $4k but could go up (or down) a bit if the right thing came along.

Basic facts: All speakers were run in at least 100 hours. Room is 27 x 14 x 6.5 ceilings. Powering with all QS tubes, 60w, NOS, tube R2R dac, and decent cables. No terrible reflection points; room not overly live or dampened. REL R 328 sub available but I did most listening without it.

Recent auditions, type:

Klipsch RP 600-M (budget singleton of the group)
Fritz Rev Carbon 7 mk II (bookshelf, 2 way, soft dome)
Focal 936 (tower, 3 way, inverted metal)
Martin Logan Motion 60s XTi (tower, 3 way, AMT)

Coming soon:

Salk SS 6M (bookshelf, 2 way, beryllium)
Dynaudio Evoke 30's (tower, 3 way, soft dome)

Let me speak just to the problems, rather than what was good about the speakers. So far, I've found the Klipsch, Focal, and especially the Martin Logans were all too bright — forward, aggressive, "turn it down" treble.

The ML's were the most impossible to tame and hardest to listen to on more tracks. (I did a lot of hanging of towels and other dampeners and other soft things to try to see if I could bring them to heel. I varied the recordings used. Changed cables/wires. No luck.)

The Focals were occasionally too bright; their bigger problem was a bit too much energy in my small listening space. They were better when I plugged their ports with socks.

I'm looking forward to how the next two speakers sound. The Dynaudio towers, I notice, are 10 inches shorter and half the weight of the other towers; not sure what that might mean, but it could just be right size for my space. I'm looking forward to seeing if the Salks bring more detail to the treble without also being too rolled off or harsh.

Hearing is very personal for physiological and taste reasons. However, if anyone has any thoughts about why I might be experiencing some of the phenomena I am (harsh treble, especially) based on my room or gear, etc., that might help me understand factors I'm not fully appreciating. Thanks.


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Showing 5 responses by kenjit

Stop complaining and get yourself speakers that are custom tuned to your ears. 
You will need your speakers custom tuned to your ears. When you buy a pair of shoes you buy the size that fits your feet. Its the same with speakers if you want perfect sound you will need them to be tuned by hand. 
The problem is @hilde45 isnt willing to have his speakers retuned but still wants optimum sound quality. You cant have it both ways. 
The fact of the matter is the speaker crossover does make a big difference to how harsh it sounds and nothing else you do will mitigate that. The problem could be something as simple as the tweeter level being set too high. If you dont want to accept the answer to your problem theres no point in seeking help. 
I am in the process of trying and returning.
How does that affect anything I've said? You are seeking a speaker that has a specific frequency response. You are hoping that you come across a speaker that by chance matches your requirement. Whereas all it could have taken is a simple reduction in tweeter level by the designer. Can you not see why custom tuning is the answer and that mass produced speakers are not the answer? 
the OP is still here complaining that he cant find perfect sound. He needs a custom tuned by hand speaker otherwise he will never be happy.