"That just might be the most absurd thing I have ever read on these forums."
I must disagree with this statement. I love classical music and I do not agree with Orpheus10, but, the most absurd?? No way! Not even close! Does not even make the top 1000. My current favorite is the member that trashed a CD player because he could read a magazine from cover to cover while it was playing. In the world of absurdity, that is Nobel Prize quality. |
"Both BMW and Lexus are good engineering, but the former usually has soul and the latter has not. Mercedes is somewhere in between. "
Then the answer is obvious. If it's extremely reliable, it does not have soul. If it breaks a lot, it has plenty of soul. My old MG Midget, was one soulful machine. |
"classical music has no soul" The longer this continues the less absurd it seems in comparison. |
I learned the hard way the reaction to using logic on this site. |
I think you are all talking gibberish. What's the point of this discussion, to see who can use the 'biggest' words that have absolutely nothing to do with the OP's question, which is itself silly. Hell, it's just stereo. And TURNTABLES at that!!!! |
I did not tealize that English was not your native language. I apologize for the gibberish remark. In what country do you live? I spent about 12 years in Europe as a member of the US Army.
Cern: The europeans have speant a lot of money on cern, but, it past history is any indication, the USA will spend the most. We always do. And if Higgs is not found, that does not mean Higgs does not exist, so the Theory will continue to hold. If a theory explains all questions, it must be true, or at least thats how the physics folks seem to think.
I assume by 'sense' and 'reference' you mean 'Theory' and 'Reality'
Soul: Has a religious meaning. Sort of like a moral compass. All men have souls, given by God, seperates Man from the lower animals, Which allows us to mistreat and eat them. hahhahahah
Soul in music: a term used to describe a certain type of african-american music in the 60's and even to the present time. Soul or soulful in a musical sense means music that elicts great emotion and feeling from the listener. All genres of music can be soulful.
What does all this have to do with turntables? I have no clue. Stereo components are not living creatures. They have no soul, turntables are not 'voiced' to do anything except play LPs.
I am glad you are a member of the forum. Gives us a different perspective. Esp on these monster speakers we seem to think are so vital to good sound. |
previous post, To Nandric: |
"Actually that's not correct"
Actually that is correct.
"No component is perfect and any finished component represents a series of design compromises that have been chosen by the designer. "
Other than stating the obvious, what does that statement mean in the context of the question at hand?
or to make it simple explain the difference between a Jazz turntable and a classical turntable and a country TT you get my drift? how are they different? TTs might be different based on price point, but that has nothing to do with music types. I assume we are excluding children's toys |
"Rok2id, thank you for calling me stupid and for your active participation"
And I did this when and how?
as far as the Higgs thingy, there is the slightest potential they will create a black hole and swallow France. So it ain't all bad. |
"I think, that in a somewhat simplified way Orpheus10 got it right"
If O-10 got something right, it must have been very simple indeed. |
Inna: Until I read this post I had no idea it was your thread. I just jump in and often don't read from the beginning. I would not have said it was silly if I had known it was you. You seem to be one of the more sensible members. I always read your stuff. Agree with almost none of it, but I like the way you say it. France is the biggest fraud on the planet. |
" The religious 'arguments' are silly in the context. Ie the religious statements have no truth values.
Thats the same thing hitler and stalin said. |
"religion has nothing to do with science."
God has a lot to do with Science. Unless you believe the universe and all it's laws just happened by chance.
A word of advice, get you a good english dictionary, I think some of your points are being lost. At lest I have trouble following your line of thought. |
"BTW what is the reference of your word 'God'?"
This is an example of a group of english words that make no sense. And God and religion are two different things. God is a supreme being and religion is an organization created by man. When people of science speak of God, they are not talking about some guys running around the Middle East, or any of the 'holy' books. It's possible God does not know we even exist. Before you try to be nasty and cop an attitude, go somewhere and learn the language or send in your native tongue and we will translate on this end. I have no idea what you mean by 'reference' or 'sense'.
BTW, being an European I understand your hostility towards God. Faith is dead on your continent. You put your faith in socialism and man. Your history demonstrates the folly of this. Good thing the US Military still believes and is always ready and able to save your Atheist asses. |
Nandric:
I would have sworn you were french. You 'sound' french. I just looked it up and you are dutch. A lot of big talk from a person from such a small and insignificate country. One question, what was the dutch contribution to CERN? I know all of this has nothing to do with audio, or has any place on a audiophile web site, but there is no way I will let a worm like you put down the country and the men and women that made such a sacrifice on your behalf. Of course, these days everyone is an 'America Basher' Weren't many like you around in Holland in 1940-45. I think the germans did a much better job of handling you people. We should have left it to them. BTW, currently there are quite a few of your countrymen in my area. Training at the local Military post. You can always recognize them. They all wear hair-nets and they wear orange socks. No wonder the Red Army ran back to Russia. |
"As you know military is one of my hobbies (now passive, on history and consulting only). I just learned that the US forces withdraw about 15000 people from Europe due to cost reasons most properly. And I think they are right. They need to reduce expenses as the European armies too. But you have seen what this means when the Russian forces went back to their barracks in Russia 1990. The Russian government had to create new jobs and opportunities for soldiers and military civil personal. This is quite a challenge doing so.
So maybe our friend has found a new job here :-) now kicking our ass..."
Thuchan:
You sound rather stupid for a german. The US Army is coming out of germany because the Red Army went back to Russia. We should have all left decades ago. Be assured, the rest of Europe wanted us there, not to defend against the Soviets, but to keep the german army in germany. :) You might want to explain that to your side kick in holland. Most of the troops that fought in the first gulf war came out of germany, US 7th Corps, and they never went back, and the American economy chugged along just fine. In fact it boomed. For which army do you consult? Give my best to all the fine folks in Nurnberg. |
"your political and religious opinions are way inappropriate on this thread"
I will assume you can read, therefore, I want you to show where I stated a religious or political opinion. Why are you offering an apology? I didn't know you were part of the exchange. I certainly hope you aren't apologizing 'for' me. Save it.
"To Nandric and Thuchan, I apologize. You have a right to your present political opinions regardless of anything that may have happened 60 years "
And why do they have a 'right' to post their political opinions, but I don't?
Maybe you should retink your post. I think I know what you intended, but you missed. And I don't hold my tonque when some ingrate bad mouths the US Military. Foreign or domestic. Esp one from a country that spent 2 hours fighting against the Nazi's and 5 years fighting with them. (the dutch ss division in russia)
If you can read, you will see that the dutch person was very derogatory towards this country and condescending towards me. I just returned fire.
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LEWM:
"If you keep up in this vein, we might find out just how crazy and unpleasant some of us are. But in particular I want to ask you whether you really believe that it is a fault of the Dutch that they live in a "small" and therefore militarily powerless country? Do you also think that you and I can take some kind of credit for the accident of our having been born in this large and powerful country? If so, you are a fool.
I can get as crazy as the best of them. I didn't fault anyone for where they lived. I take no credit for being born here. And you are a fool for reading that into what I said.
(I served in the military, too, so don't go there, please.)"
How incredibly presumptuous of you. I never go there. |
as far as i am concerned, it's over, finished. |
I guess this is an example of that wild spirit. No wonder he now lives in holland. The useless dutch were accomplices.
http://www.gendercide.org/case_srebrenica.html |
helloooooo!!!
http://www.gendercide.org/case_srebrenica.html |
My last comment, to explain my posts and then I am out of here.
He insulted this country
He questioned the courage of the US Military
He said we got what we deserved on 9/11
I understand him.
What I don't understand is, why no one on this site took offense.
Peace out. |
"Isn't it interesting that only Europeans are remaining in this conversation?"
That's ONE way of putting it. |
"Most people in Germany cannot understand a word if a real Bavarian uses his tongue. I am often in Texas and the dialect overthere is a bit similar... or am I wrong?"
This is what as known as a TWOFER. you are wrong and wrong. |
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"and I thought I am not left alone with my language problem"
I can appreciate your language problems. When I first arrived in Germany, I thought the German word for 'good morning' or 'good day' was AUSLANDER RAUS! Because every time I said good morning or Morgen they always replied with Auslander Raus! Of course it could have been that hard to understand barvarian language. |
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" I say it every morning to my wife, she is Vietnamese..."
I tried to tell my wife that also. She is german. she always says 'Sei Still untermensch!' I gave up. |
NATO is important because it put the USA, France, Germany and the UK in the same military alliance. This made it almost impossible to have another european war. |
This whole mess is a good example of what happens when you engage in a battle of wits with unarmed people. |
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot !!!! |
"Dear Inna, You as well as Marakanetz are welcome in Holland."
What about me? Am I being dissed? |
"The biggest "crap" is for someone who doesn't really participate to jump in"
Are you serious? I thought the whole idea of discussing the 'soul' of turntables was a joke. Please excuse me. I had no idea you folks were serious. I thought this was something akin to the 'Cables' forum. Please continue. |
This is what happens when SOME people reads a book. |
"Last, a comment on consistency. To condemn the acts of tyrants such as Hitler and Stalin in one paragraph and then suggest in another there should be similar actions taken against the populations of France, Holland and Bosnia can not be taken seriously as this fails that crucial test. Whiskey, Foxtrot, Tango indeed."
I don't think I condemmed either Herr Hitler or Comrade Stalin. I just mentioned them. And my words about France and Holland were just to point out that they fought with the Nazis for most of the war. And they fought a lot harder with the Nazis than they did against them. These are just facts known to all that study history. I did not use the word Bosnia at all. That area is so confusing I am not sure where or what is Bosnia. I do know that during the world war, in ALL of occupied europe, the Nazis had willing helpers, without whom the holocaust could not have taken place. In other words the Nazis / Germans did not murder the Jews and Gypsies, EUROPEANS murdered them. And I have never heard one word of regret from ANY European to this day. And it's Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. You wrote it in correctly. :) |
Nandric:
"'the Nazis deed not murder the Jews and the Gypsis'. They murdered the most of them to my knowledge. "
I was just saying, that to say the Jews and Gyssies were murdered by Europeans is MORE accurate. I think blaming everything on hitler and the nazis lets a lot of people off the hook.
There is no evidence that the germans forced anyone to collaborate with them. In fact many politicians in Holland, belgium, France, scandinavia and the eastern european countries did everything they could to gain the favor of the nazis and to be recognized as friends and partners in the fight to 'defend' europe. Remember in 1940-41, the germans looked like winners. So this influenced the way people responded. Esp the french. They wanted to be 'somebody' in a german dominated europe. And the common people saw the muder of the Jews as an easy way to steal their stuff. Esp in eastern europe.
We in the USA, see the war as, germans = bad, everyone else, = good. But a lot of people in Europe saw the war as a fight against 'godless' Communist Russia.
There are some really great documentaries now showing on American TV about the Nazi collaborators in Europe. Also a very interesting one called 'Jews that fought for Hitler.' So the whole thing is complicated and facinating.
BTW, no german soldier was ever punished for refusing to commit murder. And a number of them did refuse.
Also, they were more partisans and resistance fighters in Europe, than there were people. :)
Thanks for the historical insight into the balkans. |
"I certainly don't expect the above mentioned to give a rat's ass about what I think"
At least you go that part right.
"I will not participate ever again in a thread initiated by them. I encourage all to do the same."
What if I say pretty please?
Just curious, exactly what did you find 'offensive'? Just a historical discussion. |
Marakanetz
was not directed at you, and you missed my point. |
Frogman:
This thread is as much about audio as your 'Best Single-Malt Scotch', but I am sure a lot of perople responded to your thread and enjoyed the give and take. Since I don't drink, should I boycott your threads? |
"History lessons from your T.V.?? Shoot it,..."
What's your point? What's your problem with historical documentaries on TV? More interesting and factual than the shallow, superficial, feel good stuff, taught in the public schools. BTW, did I say something that is not accurate?
FWIW, if the audio threads were more compelling, most members would not get into politics / history. I would suggest deleteing the 'cables' forum and create an 'audio basics' forum instead. Rookies only. Real rookies. |
"Rok2id I find many of your comments of WorldWar History not so accurate"
Well I asked you to name them. |
In_shore:
Well talking about AK's is fine, but you did say my posts were not accurate. You just gonna leave it at that? Not accurate or you just didn't like what I said? There is a difference. |
In_shore:
Conscientious:
: governed by or conforming to the dictates of conscience : SCRUPULOUS *a conscientious public servant*
2 : METICULOUS, CAREFUL *a conscientious listener
Given the context, I don't understand your point, but we'll just leave it at that. If by chance, you mean that what I said about collaborators does not apply to EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN EUROPE, then I concur. But this does not change the validity of what I said one iota.
It is difficult to converse with people that speak a difficult language. But I commend you all on your grasp of English, because if I had to speak your language, this would have been a one sided short conversation. BTW, that is one thing we can all criticize Americans for, lack of widespread ability to speak a foreign language. |
difficult should been different |
"you being American it's just your comments and views of other nations and their peoples are typically skewed and misinformed.
What I mean by typical American knowledge of World history and geography, it's blatantly evident it's not your strong point for many of you."
In_shore: I do believe you are evading answering my question. I hate to sound like a broken record, but these are serious 'charges', so I should get the benefit of chapter and verse as pertains to my so-called lack of knowledge. This has nothing to do with Bush or polar bears. We are speaking of world war in Europe. Please point out my errors. If you can't, I will just assume you spoke in haste without thinking and regret your statement. Apology accepted. |
Nandric:
"I know some Americans who live in Holland for more then
10 years but are not able to construct one decent sentence in Dutch. In Holland, you know, even kids speak English."
Tha fact that almost all dutch people speak english is the reason the Americans there never learn Dutch. It's the same way in the military, no matter what country you are in, the people you deal with speak english.
Once in Germany I enrolled in a German language class. The professor, a german, said the first time the class met that he would never speak a word of english in the rest of the classes. He didn't, and I learned more german than I ever thought I would. It is amazing how fast you can learn a language when you have no choice. |
"This 'great' German philosopher had no idea what he was talking about."
Now this is news! Now when people say I don't know what i'm talking about, I will say at least I am in good company. |
I think posts to Inna's other thread are being blocked. Maybe the Frog and Blowhard Bill have more power than we thought. |
Nandric:
Since you and I are now friends, I would like to offer my apology for calling you french. I know we exchanged insults 'in the heat of battle', but there is never a reason to call a non-french person french. That was uncalled for and way beyond the pale. Peace. |
Orpheus10:
The thread can still be read, but will not accept new posts. Everything I said is still there. I can be a smart ass or wise ass or a pain in the ass, but Audiofiel is a NASTY person. Look at and read his track record. He called everyone on this thread 'buffoons' for no reason. this was not his thread, and Inna, the OP, was still engaged. Thread was not highjacked. He takes pleasure in humiliating and embarrassing other people. I hate that. I think FROGMAN is ok, just views himself as a member of the old guard. Maintaining standards as he sees them. If you can't open the thread I can send you my post. |
