I have a Phillips CD-80 CDP and was wondering what IC I could use if I cannot get the OTA cable to work with it?
It still will not send the signal through.I also have an ART DAC unmodified that I am using and have to upgrade the Digital IC.Any suggestions are helpful.
Right now I am using AQ Rudy and Canare COAX as my digital IC.
TIA |
I had the OTA cryo treated through Kimber. The only thing I know is that they did take the gauge into consideration when doing it. Ray Kimber I thought would know what he was doing.
If the OTA had been Cryo treated initially it would not have made a diff.. From what I have read from others having it go through a Cryo treatment a second time enhances the results. This has been written by those who have Cryo'd Outlets.
I had thought that the reason that OTA was different or had different sonic characteristics than other cables was because of the Die it is run through. I guess no one but Yoshi and the Wire Manf. that ran it would be able to tell you what is actually going on for cetain.
I know a Metallurgist that might be willing to work on a test using inexpensive cables in order to see what exactly is going on with Cryo and weather it is feasible to bring up the sonic quality. It should be intresting.
If there is enhanced conductivity that explains the effect. I know that there is longer lasting Decay of Cymbals and High freq. instruments. This was testing and impressions .Both my new speakers and the other speaker I had previously use the same Tweeters. Might it be the activity of the XO's also? There is more breakin to do ,but I am very impressed by what is happening thus far.Wish I had more cable to use with my SS speakers internal wiring.
Next I will change the values of the Caps along with the Manfs. of the Caps\Resistors in the Tweeter XO's to bring the performance up another notch.
Anything you can tell me would be appreciated or if I can add anything you want to know ask!
======================================
The following was posted somewhere else at A-Gon
======================================
47Labs OTA Cable Kit:
It might not be for everyone, but it turned out to be a jewel of a deal for myself.
I was within days of buying the first of several cables for my system and I was lucky enough to had gone to A-Gon to see what was going on in used cable. Someone had just put up the OTA kit for around half the new price because they did not like what it did in their system and I immediately mailed him. He had taken it off right after or before he read my mail to increase the price, but he was so disenchanted with it he decided to just sell it to me.
Since buying the cable I have made all the IC's, made a run to my main speakers and had my newly designed speakers wired with it. All for a fraction of what it might have cost if I were to buy separate cables for my system. The only place I do not have it is between my Transport and DAC.
The thing that really made it worth it was the fact that Yoshi's new speakers (Konus Audio Essence) or the replica's of his speaker made from Carolina's(?) look like the NEAR speaker drivers that use to be used in my cabinets making synergy less of an issue.
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/47lab/shigaraki3.html
Since getting my new speakers online wired with the OTA I have noticed some great traits of which I might not have had if not for wiring the internals with it. For one it has made decay of instraments better than I have ever had with any of the other speakers I have had in my listening room. I have had PSB's,Magnepans and other NEARs.The new drivers are true of the presentation of different instruments also.The nost apparent of these are Cymbals.Love the long decay and true to life emphasis which is given now.Another trait is the disappearing of the speakers. I have never had speakers that completely not show themselves making the music. At no time do I hear anything which tells me a sound is coming from a driver. The Maggies never did this and they were the most transparent speakers I ever owned up to now. Well then again the NEAR M15's I think betterd them,but it was kinda a coin toss.
Anyhow the OTA Cable has been a godsend for my purposes and I hope others might find suitable cables for their setup.
Note:The Tweeters have Cryo'd OTA running to them and the Amp-Pre IC is also Cryo's with Eichmann Plugs used.
I will still try out another Digital Cable soon with my Belden as a reference to beat.
|
Well I Guess that settles that!My Cabling system will be the OTA Kit!
Thanks for the help!If you can add any advice please do!
Oh for the Passive I would need to know what the Capacitance of the Cable is?
Thanks again! |
I got real lucky and got the Kit for less than 1/2 price.With the kinda recommendations I have read and people have written to me I am jazzed!
I have a pair of solid core Tara Labs,so I will have a slight comparative basis to go by.
Would like to know what other's experience has been using this stuff as a Digital IC or if you can use it in that capacity?I will look through the post to see if anyone has mentioned it. |
It is an intresting read though.I will try somethimg else.I tend to agree with the 75ohm theory becuase I am at present using CANARE 75ohm cable and it's just ok ,but not as revealing as I know it could be.
I have been on a cable quest of late and have a variety of cables coming and on hand so I will be able to give a fair eval of how my system will jive with the OTA's,but if It only works well in my system as speaker cable I will be happy.If it works well as a replacement of all cables excluding the Digital cable I will be overjoyed!
Synergy is a big issue with me after getting out of the reciever stage in my life many moons ago and becoming a more critical listener.
Thanks for the reply! |
I guess I will have to live with the Regular OTA Cable and if I hear a drmatic difference I will have it all cruo's.
My new speaker's will be wired with OTA so i will know more then.I sent the designer both treated and untreated which he will decide whats best after running test.
You could buy the speaker cable and use the OTA for IC's.
Thanks for the info! |
Excellent cable!I just hooked it up and ran a few of my test recordings and it works just fine for me.
I only ran into 1 snag which I have not figured out yet and that is I could not get my CDP to work using the OTA.Will have to try something else to see why that is.
The best thing I can say is that the innerdetails shine on through at low vols. which is something I have been waiting for in a cable.The recording I use has chimes at the beginning and it always bugged me that I would have to turn the Vol. up in order to hear them.Not the case now.
I have heard that OTA a similar in design to Kimber Select and I do not have any ,but I can believe it.Vocals ,soundstage and Bass are phenomenal
Another issue that was critical was the Capacitance of the Cable.I am using a Passive Preamp.Out of the batch of cables I have and knowing that the Canare is around 20pfd this cable is alot better.
Thanks again for this thread as I just happend to get this cable due to another person having synergy issues using a SET amp with highly efficient speakers.I do not know why ,but his lost and my gain I guess! |
What are you using for a transport & DAC?
What other's have you tried?
I was leaning towards Mapleshade Double Helix Plus,but I am trying to narrow the feild down and that Digital IC is 1/2 the price.
Thx |
I recieved these cables from a person who had a 5w/ch. amp with Horn speaker's.He preferred DIY Ratshack Cables.I think that his low output from the amp might have been the reason why his system did not take to the Cable.
The cable works great in my system!Everything that i tried today sounded much better.I cannot see how people can say they cannot hear a difference in cables.It's baffleing to me. Maybe they just do not have sensitive equiptment.
I used a run for my Sub which at first did it not work.I the looked at the cable and found that they were not ringed through the small holes .After that I was able to use the cable on the sub.I then inspected the lines I used for the CDP ,but they still would not work.
If anyone knows of cables\IC's that I can use for my CDP that will not cost alot I would appreciate it.I am using a Phillips CDP and an ART DIO DAC that will be modified.
I guess I will try the Alph Core Digital IC that someone suggested unless it will not work with the ART DAC,The IC I need will go between the Ouputs on the DAC to the pre-amp.
TIA for the help! |
IS there a real noticable difference when using them and should that solve my CDP connector problem?
I will order a set to work with if I can find the vendor's addy again.I had saved it in my favorites.
I also am experimenting with PC's.Just generic stuff like Coleman,Carol, and American Cable to see weather there would be a difference in sound with my system.
Thanks for the tip I had forgot all about them. |
Do not know why it is I can get these connectors to work sometimes and then other times I cannot.It's like a hit or moss thing.I tried making a few sets with the example plugs as my guide.At one point I had one channel going for the CDP then I could not get them to work .
Anyways I wrote to a dealer to order some Eichmann's.I am sure they will provide the right contact.I do think the Plastic Connectors are kinda chezzey!I also think what they are asking for them is outrageous,but I did not get the kit new and I got it for below 1/2 price so I'm not gonna bitch about it.The guy that sold the kit to me was almost ready to pay 47labs a visit it seemed.He was glad to get rid of it.
I am waiting for a response back from the supplier.Thx! |
I am going to send a few short runs off to have Cryo treatment done to see what effect it might have on it.
(I will put Eichmanns on 2 pairs of exact lenghts .One will be cryo'd and the other will remain untreated to be inserted between my DAC to Pre-Amp.
Of what I have read there shall be a difference in sound,but the Q will be will that effect be positive or negative. |
Cryo treated Cables have not returned as yet,but I did get to use the Eichmanns in place of the Plastic Plugs and that works fine.
Would have liked to have gotten the newer Silver Plugs ,but they were not available yet.Cost being another factor,they were something like 3x the price of regular ones.
Satisfied so far ,but I did notice the cable can be all over the place in the Freq. spectrum with the Mids falling out as has been mentioned.Waiting on a better Digital Cable also.
Happy Listening! |
I asked Audio Eng. what type of Spades he would use on this stuff?His advice seeing that it was so thin was to wrap it around the WBT Posts I have to both the Amp & Speaker's(3in.).He was correct!
Everything opened up after that.
Great advice.I was just using 1 small strand before that.I did not think about it. |
I have to agree given that is the opinion of other's also.The Plasic gives the most direct contact to the post.
OTOH,I was forced to use a connector for my CDP.For some reason I could not get them to work so I tried Eichmanns whch seem to work fine.
I will be doing some test using Cryo treated OTA .That shall be very intresting.I will have enough to run Treated with and without Eich Plugs and using the Plastic Connectors. |
What is the difference in the new version?
I am trying to have some regular cryo'd to see if there is a marked improvement in it,but it has not returned as yet.I think at the end of nest week it will be here.
In the process of having my speaker crossover's reworked,new Binding Post and using the OTA for internal speaker wiring.The X\Oer's will be outboard also.The Binding post will give me the capability of Bi\Verticle Amping. |
I have not wanted to screw with my vintage CDP(Phillips CD-80) as the player is 12yrs. old and I was not concidering messing with it.Afraid I might mess it up and it's built like a Tank which I use for a transport.
I am now considering changing the Binding Post to my Amp and and will probably have my speaker's reworked using Cryo Treated OTA,New Outboard Crossover's and New Binding Post.
Any suggestions? |
A cheaper alternative to OTA for a lesser price. I am breaking the wire in right now.
You can write me and I will discuss what I found. |
I recieved my Cryo Treated OTA cable to try as IC's and will be having it installed in my new speaker's if testing goes well for the cryo'd IC's.
I also have tried the Eichmann Plugs with it and I would say unless you are forced to use them don't!Stay with the Plugs that are supplied.
My initial impression of the Cro'd IC I believe can be said to improve in three area's.They are Bass,dynamics and vocals.There are also things I did not hear in recordings before.The thing which changed also was the forward to back plane in the soundstage.Deeper and not as forward as before,but still clear with no veiling.
I will mention something else that might be relevent.I recieved 2 duplicate digital cables ,one cryo'd the other not.They have some impact on what I am hearing.Before I was trying Canare LV77S Digital to try with poor results.They veiled the vocals alot.I still need to switch back the Canare to see what happens.That might be more accurate from what I had been listening to up till recently.Infact one thing I did do was replae the amp-pre connection using the canare because the plastic plugs kept losing theirconnection.I did not like the sound so I inserted the Eichmann plugged OTA (not cryo'd) into that connection which cleared the veiling of the Canare cable I was having . Eichmanns are not better than using the straight wire when using it between my amp-Preamp(Passive).What I noticed when switching it out was that bass was aittle less defined than before.
These are just initial impressions which were done last weekend and have not had a chance to really have them settle in yet.The last test shall be when I get my speaker's which will have OTA cable running thru them.The speaker's will be the most advanced set of NEAR M50's which are no longer in production,but are still used by Manfs. that I have talked with as a reference.I imagine they shall not be broken in for 1-2 mos. after recieveing them.
Hope that is clear enough to understand
Till then regards and happy listening! |
What is the 4719 speaker cable you are refering to.I would not be best to give a response.
What I can tell you is that the OTA Cable is FAST!I have had other's state they have had good results using it for internal wiring of speaker's which I will be trying.The only link in my system I am using something other than the OTA is the Digital IC.I am using a Cryo treated Belden run for that link,but in the the future I will try something else.
I got tired of mixing and matching wires and wanted to try something different.OTA was an option and other's have commented that is on par with Kimber Kable that is as expensive as the OTA Kit.I cannot verify that,but thus far I am satisfied with it for the price.
One guy that is in the Biz replaced $2800 worth of cable which gives some validity to the cable.That being said it must be at the very least good!It might not be the best,but then you have to think of synergy issues and such.Cards Golden Hex is suppose to be better ,but look at the price to do your system with it.
As for myself I bought the kit for $300 through a private seller and he preferd Belden DIY cable hooked into a SET amp so that might be an option to look at for far less $$.
Another thing is that I am trying Eichmann Plugs which need breakin time and are expensive.Once the wire is fully broke in again things will change.
Cryo treatment is used by Jack Bybee to cut down breakin time.If it enhances wires to be on par with ultra expensive stuff that is fine by me.The jury is still out on that.
Happy Hunting! |
Georgia2k--I will read the address you had given,but I would not give out that much $$ for any speaker cable.The only reason I got the OTA was the sweet deal I got on it(below 1/2 the list price)and the feedback from other users.
Might run circles around other speaker cables ,but it is to pricey for myself.If I need anymore cable ,like for my surrounds, I will DIY them to save $$.
I think that my system is starting to breakin again after getting the Cryo treated wire back and the results are becoming more positive BTW. |
Something I find of intrest is the speaker's he has designed
because he is using Aluminum cast driver's.My speaker's are of that pedigree and I am having a great ime using them with the OTA cable.
I do not think they could be driven by SET amps ,but they sound like nothing I have ever had and they go down to around 32Hz. before needing support.My new speaker's will go even lower and have the same type of driver technology.
This is the review I found of those speaker's.
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/47lab/shigaraki3.html |
I saw a pic of the back of 47Labs new speaker hooked up with OTA and Spade Connectors.
I cannot find the pic again and has anyone tried this?
I have my wire wrapped around the binding post as was suggested to me by Steve Nugent of Empirical Cable.
TIA,ABEX |
I did and thoguht I was getting more sound back by wrapping.If I have to clip the wires again I will go back to the one strand.I did take notice that Yoshi was using a spade for the new speaker's so I was wondering about that.
BTW,I checked the site of the speaker's from NC and a great price.I have NEAR's and know the designer who developed the first commercial Metal drivers to be mass produced.He is a genius if you asked me.What I find appealing is that Yoshi is using Metal driver's also with OTA.That tell me that the synergy between the wire and speakers are a good match.
I am waiting patiently for my new speakers.Biting fingernails you might say.They shall be wired with cryo treated OTA probably and be the most advanced set on the planet,with an outboard active crossover.Some manufactures I have spoken to still use them as references and that also says alot.To say I'm jazzed is an understatement.
Happy Camper! |
This might be a stupid question,but here ya go!
I have Eichmann connectors on 2 runs of OTA and is there any heatshrink that you have used that works effectively with OTA over Eichmanns.Would like to safeguard against accidently pulling the wire and losing the weld.Is that possible?
Have not heatshrunk anything in 20 years.
Thx,ABEX |
Just an update:
*Cryo'd OTA to use in my NEAR M50's Tweeters\Midrange
*Bass Drivers Un-Cryo'd
*Tested IC's using the cryo treatment
Seems there is more presence using the Cryo treatment with Copper WIre.I would not venture to use it with any Plated or Silver Cables.
Speakers sound great with the OTA.They are not fully broken in ,but I know it was well worth using it to do the internal wiring.
The comment of Presence!
I noticed it most using Classical Guitar Recordings.Tried to find the best word to describe the essect and Presence is it.
Also Used A run of Belden Digital.Cryo'd and Uncryo'd to do the test.
Have fun! |
Slawney
I will share the following msg, I recieved just today from Charles Beresford of Cryogenics Intl.. I have been trying to findout as much as possible about the effects of the cryo process might have on audio components especially cables.What really disturbs or perplexes me is the fact that no long range studies have been made of the ill effects this process might have or even the benefits of it except for testimonials.
Robert Crump is one that I trust who has one bad experience with what it did with a set of expensive speaker cables.After his experience I was concerned with what effects might taken place with the OTA.
====================================
My Questions:
Hello:
I read your post at AA and was wondering about a few things.
1.Do you know if there have been any detailed studies of what has not been done successfully in cryo for Audio and stuff that has a high failure rate?Trying to avoid the pitfalls of others.
2.Have there been treated and untrested test done for Measurements as well as listening test?
3.Do you take the Gauge of the wires into consideration and adjust for it when doing the process?
4.Have there been test done on Plated and Silver Cables?
5.What about doing the process twice on Cables,does that further enhance the effect or performance?
I know you have been in the Biz since the 80's and is there any performance test that have been done is what I am trying to find out.
Robert Crump had a set of expensive Cables that I think were plated that got ruined by having the process done.
I had some 47Labs Cables ,which are copper, croy'd by Ray Kimber's facility and they came back undamaged and they might have been cryo'd initially in Japan.They are approx.24ga. and I do not know if that is taken into consideration before being cryo'd.Should this be taken into consideration?
I am trying to also see if taking a inexpensive cable and having it cryo'd can bring it's performance up to ultra expensive cables. Has this been done in your experience?
I am at the moment corresponding with a knowledgable metallurgist discussing testing to find cable that can advanced using this technique.
What can you tell me, any help is appreciated!I know your time is valuable and I am not looking for long elaborate answers.Short answers would be helpful and I will take it from there.
We will consider sending the Cable to you when we narrow down our choices in the future seeing that your prices are reasonable and you have exstensive experience using the process.
Thanks!
---
His Reply
Thank you for your message. With regards to audio applications, there are not really any technical studies. It seems that no matter what is shown scientifically, in the audio world, listening is the only thing that matters. I have some research studies regarding materials, i.e. polymers, steels, etc. You could then apply those results to the same type materials in audio applications.
There is really no determining factor to let you know what may have a problem during processing. In general, our process does not cause failures in most any part. We process entire boards, cables, tubes, etc. I will list some guidelines below.
1. plastic that is under pressure or stress ( like a clamped down hard plastic case) could crack. This is because there is no tolerance for movement during the process.
2. Very old, dried out plastic may crack due to having no elasticity.
It is not the type of polymer, it is the condition that it is in, that may cause a crack. We generally do not see any problems with new cables or materials. Again, whole boards, capacitors, cables, plug strips, tubes, cds, etc. all processed every week with great results.
The gauge of the wire has nothing to due with our computerized process. The process is all about removing the BTUs or heat energy out of the products being treated.
We have not experienced any problems with plated and/or pure conductors of any type. We process solid silver wire and cables all the time. Silversmith Audio process all of their cables with very good results.
Some people say that two times in the process is great. I do not have any data to support this. I will process your items any way or as many times as you desire. The customer gets the process desired.
You should not have any fear of treating plated cables with us. We process plated cables, outlets, plugs, connectors all the time with only improvement.
I really have no idea what has been treated before I receive it and what hasn't. Processing your items more than once will not harm them. Since we do not charge a great deal for our process, if you are not sure, just have it processed.
Some people do say that you can take a less expensive cable, have it treated and it will make dramatic improvements. Our process will make good cables sound very transparent.
I have attached some information to this message. Please call or email me if you have any questions.
Best Regards,
--------------------
The info into what you have provided concerning you eval of the OTA is intresting. I will have some questions after I am avle to think about what you have written further,thanks! |
Slawney
Where did you hear that the OTA was Cryo'd?
Have you measured what the Impedance is Per\Meter of the OTA?
And do you know what the exact Gauge of the OTA is as I do not have a wire Gauge?
TIA |
Well I should have used a conversion table thanks!
This is a very long thread and I have tried to go through it a few times.You must have a photographic memory to remember it all!
Thx! |
Someone that has seen the OTA stated to me in a mail that it is not a Solid Core ,but Foil. In a sense it could be as a close wire to it is Mapleshades Foil IC's from what others have stated here.
Any thoughts? |
Slawney just to add:
I went through Bolder Cables who sent it (OTA) to Ray Kimber facility in Utah when having my ART DAC modified in order to see what effects the treatment might have.
I used a set of untreated sets of OTA terminated with Eichmann plugs . I tried a few combo’s to see what the effects of cryo might have on playback. I also used sets of Belden Digital to test. These were listening test and I had no measurements done as I do not have any test equiptment available to me at the moment.
The best I can describe what I have found is in the word Presence. It finally came to me when comparing the Belden’s that on Classical guitar the plucks were more distinct using the cryo treated cables.
I still think that whatever or whoever you choose to do the treatment it is wise not to treat anything you do not want to take the risk of damaging. Weather it be Cables, Capacitors ,Transformers or a hairbrush.
I do not think I will have the Caps, Inductors or Resistors Cryo’d that will be used in the upgraded crossover parts for risk of damage. Kharma is said to use cryo’d components upon request for it series of speakers which is said to Lower the noise floor,but as always there is no info provided on how they established that claim. |
None of my calbes are anything like this. But 47 labs does have a cablw
Here is the response I got from Allen Wright!
===========================================
Those are different than mine- I saw it in the 47 Labs room at the recent Frankfurt Hi-End
Show - theirs uses copper foil but mine use very thin silver foils in a
"sandwich" construction.
They are available as kits from my on line store. Called the "SuperClear"
Regards, Allen (VSEI) |
Yes,I noticed that! Something like $800 for a 8ft. pair for their speaker cables if I remember correctly.
I did see that Yoshi was using OTA in the Konus speakers from 6moons photo's which are selling for $3300 and Carolina has a similar set of wires.
What is the new wire's diameters I wonder. I'll look at the previous posts. I wonder also weather they are using Cryo.
The kit saved me alot and enhanced the performance of my speakers using it as internal wiring. I am working on Silver wire now (Plated and Pure) for Bi-Wiring and will use the rest of the OTA for the Internal wiring of my 2-ways after I have it Cryo'd. When I am done I shall have all my speakers used for my Stereo\HT systen wired with OTA .Speakers will be matched with the same Caps\Inductors\Resistors and Wires. It shall be a 7.1 HT speaker system. The last project shall be a matching sub which I will build myself.
Later! |
Nice!Now I have to find a way of having fun! Always more pressure!
Wish I could go surfing--The real kind!
Later |
Well he must have went MAD! If you made OTA a clear color,then put a protective sleeve over it there would be no difference in the sound.But light might slow down energy so there might be plausible reason for such an experiment.
A good physics question!
Thx! |
Well I have a few I am working with.Silver is intresting and the thing which I am finding most difficult is the factor of termination. Silver is primarily the wire I am working with at the moment not OTA.I did run across the Pigment Color page and thought it might interest those here.
The thing which I find Intriguing about OTA is the Insulation used. It is the best affordable copper cable I know of.
OTA is not the only cable to best. I am looking to find affordable cables that are superior to the run of the mill junk you find in audio, There seems to be a silver craze at the moment.
The price for a silver IC is outlandish and I would market a Silver IC for $70 if I could find a suitable RCA. The best so far are the Cardas SLVR and Homegrowns. Eichmanns are to expensive and are Copper.
======================
"I was under the impression (from discussion of the topic with a cable manufacturer) that it had to do with dialectic properties (perhaps the effecting the portion of the signal running on the outside if the wire)."
Funny thing about that is I thought I was the only one that thought that! I had just written to someone with very much the same sentiment along with the reason why cables sound different.
One of the things I had read recently was about why Van Den Hul got into the cable biz. When he was younger he was working for someone putting wire coils into phono cartridges and noticed that 2 wires that were the same in appearance and specs sounded different. He went to a authority, higher than himself, and posed the question as to why this is. He could not get a definitive answer which lead him on the journey which made him start his own company.
One of my theories is that the reason that cables sound different is the way electrons bounce off each other moving through a conductor and that the field around the conductor or movement of electrons interplays with the insulator. Cryo treatment seems to validate my belief that the composition being more uniform might allow for better interaction of forces after treatment.(Kind of tired right now, but I hope you get my drift).
If you look at tables for Insulator values you will find Teflon being the best,but I do not think it is in terms of what it does to sound or signal transfer. Air is the best ,but that is not what I am getting at. No one can tell you what is best in terms of allowing the signal through to be musical.
As for the cable cooker it only allows me cut the time on breakin that I really cannot do with music.Takes to long and is not thorough .If I want to test designs and geometries it is counter productive to what I am trying to accomplish.
My goal is to come up with designs that can compete with what many consider to be SOTA, but that are cost effective to all of us.
At the moment it is not the cost of the wires that is a drawback,but the cost of the connectors which more than anything add coloration to the sound.To find a minmalist design for a cost effective price has posed a challange.The best thus far has been Homegrowns Rhodium over Silver at like $3.50ea..For Silver it's the Cardas SLVR's .I am still testing ,but it is fair to say they are better for Silver wire purposes. Eichmanns are good for the minimalist pursuit,but they are pretty costly at approx.$40 for a set of 4.
Anyways I got into this because I was tired of hearing and seeing people at the mercy of the higher priced company made IC's\Speaker cables and felt I could make or come up with original designs that could compete and be cost effective. I have 3 designs at the moment that no one else has come up with that are in the way of the purist pursuit that I feel might very well be competitive to wires costing many times more. They are in the way of an Air Dielectric that look and sound good, but they are still being tested and retested to be certain.
It takes 50hrs on the burner then 10hrs of play before any serious listening can be accomplished. I feel my system is adequate for this type of testing to see weather there is something worthy of consideration or not. I would certainly not try to sell something which I felt did not sound good or to put another way which I felt I would not like to have as far as quality of sound.
Silver has it's advantages over OTA, but only in the HF falloff. Some test I have done was lacking in the midrange or soundstaging. Like I said it's all preliminary and there is alot more testing I shall be doing, but then again some designs are very promising.
I like OTA and Silver seems to be more of my focus now because of what I see to be outlandish prices out there for it. I would like to come up with a good Silver IC for under $60. The $70 mark is where I am at right now, but I am not completely satisfied with it either. Either way I do not think that I will be able to get to the $60 mark because of the price of RCA’s which I have a design for on paper. If I still had access to a CNC and a machine shop I would easily beable to beat the $60 mark by producing my own RCA’s that would also be non-metallic. A lot of what I know about manufacturing and eingineering could prove valuable in my pursuit. Some I have not used in years.
Rambled enough!Later |
You can purchase 1/4 Techflex to go over the OTA in order to change the appearance if that is what you wish to do.I use Black.
This link might work.There are other manufactures with different styles and types.
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=082-316
Good Luck |
Kub I really did not get what they were trying to address in the table or lit. I was just trying to findout what those who know the technicals had to say about it. Light and pigment color would have no bearing on how a cable reacts I would think.
In a post above someone had alluded to the fact that the Blue Pigment used in the OTA wire had no bearing as to how the cable reacts. I would have to concur with that.
"Dispersibility"! Well you'd have to ask a rhodes scholar about that one. I did not do well in english. Bill Clinton might be able to help,but at a cost. I do not even see a dictionary hanging around.
Found it!Old and yellowing from lack of use,but your right.Webster only shows Disperse-Dipersal and Dispertion as words.Wonder how much that guy got paid for writing that up!Hope I do not ask him for help putting up my website.
Stupidity,I would look up the meaning and it's opposite which is astute ,intelligent,keen. I did not even pick up on the Stupidity of the writer using "Disperse" in such an odd manner. Should be fired!
|
I am thinking of doing an overhaul of the cabling in my system and would like to know if 47Labs OTA Cabling system might be right for my system?
First the sytem I will be re-wiring:
Modified B&K ST-202 (Star Grounding and connector pts.)
NEAR-M15 & M50 Speaker's(Crossover-Driver Pts)
FT Audio LW-1 Passive Pre-Amp(all pts. internally)
CDP=Phillips CD-60 with an ART DIO (IC's to LW-1)
All IC's and Spkr Cabling will be using the OTA system Cable.
Secondly I would like to use the Eichmann Connectors,if I can find them?If anyone has a website that sell them and how much they cost please let me know?
Thirdly,has anyone tried these connectors with the OTA Cable?
Lastly,is there anyone using this Cable with Metal Driver's?
TIA,ABEX |
In researching Pigment used in Cables I ran accross this. Is this stating that the fact of what pigment you use will make a difference in the way the wire will pass a signal?
"In thin coating applications, such as insulation coatings on copper telecommunication wire, the combined requirements of low coating thickness, high pigment loadings and high extrusion line speeds, demand excellence in pigment dispersibility for successful processing. The table below lists the main products for this application showing both good dispersability and good coloring value."
http://cibasc.com/VIEW.ASP?ID=3541 |
