Wow, what could anyone add to that! Very thorough.
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Hello Rooze and A'goNers.
In spite of the weather elements to get up to the Green Bay area, We had a splendid time with your folk's club. As per my son Jonny's request, the only regret was that I didn't get to find and take out any Packers.
One thing I really admired about the NEWAS'S club is that the members are not mere acquaintances but are more like a family. Really cool!...if you like the Adam's Family...LOL! (I've left myself wide open with that one!)
At the end of our presentation I had asked that if anyone enjoyed our products and were inclined, to please post on any of the boards when appropriate since that's how enthusiasts get to know about us...word of mouth. We weren't expecting the meet to inspire a formal review and a very professional one at that! Thanks Rooze. Seems you Englishmen still set the bar on eloquence for us yanks!
I can't find anything I would really disagree with in your commentary. Three points you brought up that particularly caught my attention and would like to confirm. The room placement. I think the sound field was more engaging and believable at the one third location also. I think what Steve was trying to accomplish was a good balance between a more practical set up and excellent sound and image portrayal. I think we got about 90% of what the Sason's were capable of in your room when Steve settled on where we left them. When we had them in the less practical one third location, I think we were at about 96%, maybe 97%. Regardless and as you experienced, the portrayal was a little more than impressive. And, you're correct, If they were being driven by some nice tube amps, you would have thought you'd died and gone to heaven! According to Lak and Steve's account, they even sounded quite magical with Lak's tubed 5 watt SE Carys (These were 5 watt tube amps that put out 5 watts. Did I mention these amps are only 5 watts?).
The Port chuffing. One of the prototype Sasons had a red LED light to let you know the port was on and working. However, we determined the LED was too distracting so we replaced it with the chuffing feature...which, by the way, no one else is doing! Na! Only kidding. You're correct. The port tuning was too extended for the final set up arrangement. Earlier on during placement experimentation the bass was a little too ripe so we adjusted for better damping. We never retuned it and it wasn't really noticeable until the lower octaves were called upon at higher listening levels. So yes, I noticed it also and can confirm it was a matter of adjusting the port.
Lastly, what a keen observation on your part and a great affirmation for us. We value very highly being able to experience the emotive communication the musicians portray in their performance. This goes beyond mere hi-fi or, as you put it, being in the engineering room. We personally find it much more captivating when we find ourselves transported to the performance venue and, as you experienced, the Sason's are very capable of doing that. Like a good electrostat, the Sasons are very immediate.
We have a little over two years of development into the Sason Ltd. project. The last thing we wanted to do is offer another "Me Too" loudspeaker. We were very confident that the Sason Ltd. project would set a few new benchmarks but confidence without objective affirmation is really pretty meaningless. Now we have both. Thanks Rooze!
There's probably a few more points that might be good to elaborate on here but for that, I'll let Steve carry on from here when he gets a moment. Till then...
Hello, Rooze and A'goNers
"Three dimples on the stand top plate allow for easy location of the spiked feet, and are designed to prevent the speaker feet from slipping off the stand when being adjusted. Personally, I would have added mechanical stoppers around the two rear corners of the stand to act as ‘belt and braces’ to prevent the feet from slipping off the edge of the top plate."
The dimples on the top plate are quite deep, so the brass cones on the bottom of the Sason absolutely will not slide out once they are positioned at the dimples.
I think what led you to this conclusion could be that I had the front cone already backed out too far and it unscrewed further when Robert and I positioned the loudspeaker on the top plate. Then just before the front cone "found home," it went sideways and gave us a neat little "moment"!
During shipping, the cones are in place and slightly backed out for additional support within the wood crate. What the end user must do is screw them in completely before installing the loudspeaker on top of the stand. This will ensure the cones will NOT do what I so aptly demonstrated!
One other point I'd like to make about the brass cones is there should be no reason to substitute any other type of cone, due to the Sason's extreme mass and rigidity. Also, all three supplied brass cones provide height adjustment, so absolute level can easily be achieved, then precise rake angle to follow.
I would like to thank you for the invite to Wisconsin and the great hospitality and care you provided Robert and I. It truly feels like the members at North Eastern Wisconsin Audio Society are family for each other and that is a rarity, indeed. That you all allowed Robert and I to be the Strange Uncles for the visit was...something. :)
Ridge Street Audio Designs
Steve / Robert,
Thanks for alleviating some of my concerns.
I wasn't able to pay full attention at the stage where you came to add the carpet piercing feet and I wasn't certain if the recommended process is to remove the speaker from the stand, then tilt the stand back to add the feet, or, is the stand tilted back with the speaker in situ? I thought I saw you tilt the stand back with the speaker in situ, hence the 'stopper' comment - to be doubly certain that the speaker couldn't slip if someone were to tilt the stand too much. It's quite possible that fingers could be between the speaker and the top-plate during this process, so it concerned me just a tad.....we Brits tend to fuss over the smallest things. Damn if I couldn't find much else to fuss over!..
One point that I missed in the review is the very comprehensive manual that you've put together. As someone who's tried to make sense of the 'weird' instructions and pictures in a Magnepan manual, your well thought-out setup information makes a refreshing change.
It stuns me at times to see how supposedly reputable manufacturers get away with a product that is poorly designed and sloppily constructed from sub-standard materials. I won't mention names, but fellow Magnepan owners know who I'm referring to.
Congratulations on paying attention to detail with your 'uncompromising' design and making something that will provide a lifetime of enjoyment.
You didn't miss much; your powers of observation are pretty keen! We did add brass cones under the stands once we arrived at the final speaker positions. This was accomplished, as you observed, by leaving the Sasons on their stands and tilting the whole affair (with Robert's assistance) and placing the cones beneath the handcrafted granite base plates.
This is where a good helper comes in very handy IF you are trying to save time during setup. That's cheating and we cop to it! NEWAS members were starting to drool on the other speaker; we had to hurry. ;)
The correct way (covered in the manual):
Place the supplied "sliders" under the stand prior to placing the Sason on top of the stand. Install the loudspeaker on the stand. Slide around the assembly then mark the floor with tape once the heavenly spots are identified. Lift speaker off stand (I'm 175 lb with a touch of Pillsbury Doughboy and can handle each Sason without help) and install the brass cones under the stand; replace speaker. Grab the drink of choice, your favorite LP's, and begin a new listening journey!
Ridge Street Audio Designs