Next best exponential DAC quality level?


I recently did a shoot out of three DACs using my Hint6 + routing each of the other DACs to analog input on the Hint6:

(1) Hint6: ESS Sabre32 -- Integrated 

(2) SMSL M500: ES9038PRO D/A   ~$400 

(3) Khadas ToneBoard(v1): ESS ES9038Q2M - ~$99

I played the same song passages on Amazon Music and was able to cycle through each Hint6 input corresponding to each DAC.

The result?  Very small difference in terms of rendering.  Maybe a more open sound stage with better overall balance using the Hint6 DAC.  The Khadas was more bass / midrange pronounced w/ a more narrow soundstage.  However, I wouldn't suggest that any were head-and-shoulders "better" over the others.  In fact, they were all pretty decent with only small nuances (certainly not worth the price differences.   

I decided to keep the Khadas for my small headphone listening area. 

But it got me thinking - how much would one have to spend to realize an exponential difference in quality?  Is the Khadas that good, or is DAC technology differences more nuanced than I originally thought (meaning, we're paying 10x for only 5% better).  

 

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I have a feeling many will be quite happy to engage with me. Perhaps a breath of fresh air. Everyone is welcome to their own opinions, but not their own facts. Nothing I am saying should be contentious. They are simple truth. Uncomfortable truths perhaps, but simple truths non the less.

 

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Hello,

I have demoed the Hint6 and it is very good for what it is. I call it the Swiss Army knife of integrated amps. It does everything ok. That’s just it. It doesn’t do anything great. I am going to suggest you listen to a Hegel 190. The Hegel 120 will do very well to. Hegel goes great with KEF speakers. The DAC, preamp, and amp section inside will put the Hint6 to shame. Once you demo a Hegel you will get it. This store in the Chicagoland area is a dealer for all of this if you want to check this out or demo things in your home. Actually Holm Audio is having a KEF, Ayre, and Nordost demo event this Thursday, December 2nd from 12:00 to 9:00pm. If you call the store they will give you details. 
 

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@ozzy62 

what are you running to your Pontus ll as your digital input? I’m looking for a new CD transport?

All the best.

JD

@cindyment  It appears you are regurgitating a load of stuff about DACs from Wikipedia or wherever, your incites don't seem to come from experience or first hand knowledge.

Here we go: A $99.00 DAC is a turd and you can't put lipstick on it you probably have a better DAC in your laptop or car.

What makes a good DAC? Firstly it needs as good a signal as possible, so just sticking a computer USB into it isn't going to cut the mustard. If you're using a computer you need JPLAY or similar to reduce computer jitter and provide drivers for the DAC.

Secondly to get the best sound you need a re-clocker such as Mutec to put the USB into before the DAC. Then an AES/EBU or COAX into the DAC.

Please don't worry about OP amps or valves or trannies if the signal and jitter are taken care of properly you'll get a great sound. A big clean linear power supply is more important than what OP amps you use.

The icing on the cake is a Word or Master clock so you can either slave your system to the Master or output separate Word signals.

Some good cables both digital and analogue will help enormously.