Steve Flelschler ...
I'm Frank's friend. Last week, Frank applied Total Contact to only my fuses and interconnects last weekend. There was an immediate improvement in the sound of both my audio systems. It was comparable to the difference in a Littlefuse to the Blue fuse change. The bass and highs were extended and fortified. The soundstage widened somewhat and the height improved more than the width. Transients improved with quicker, more explosive. There is more detail and air around instruments and voices. However, the tonal quality does not change at the expense of the openess or quickness.
This is the first time my big system exhibited that jump factor where a bass drum is both felt and heard (well, more than just moderate sound level). My Signature IIIs always had punchier bass with 3-10" woofers than my Focuses which have 3-12" woofers. Not any more. The Focuses have tighter, punchier (and deeper) bass than the Signature IIIs now. I will be purchasing the Total Contact as soon as it's available. I will then apply it to all my A/C and speaker wire contacts which rarely get unplugged. I only hesitate putting on tube pins. Another good thing is that if one doesn't like the sound, it's easily and cleanly removable.
There's so much in the tube, I'll be applying it to my video systems A/Cs and ICs and speakers.
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Steve ...
Robert and I will have to come down soon and do your speaker cables and power cords. You'll get at least as much of an overall improvement that you got last time.
Grannyring ...
$299.99 isn't a lot of cash when you consider the improvement in SQ it gives you. Plus, there's enough in a tube to do at least a couple of systems, or perhaps your circuit breaker, or even connections in your car.
randy ...
Can I do your "blind" test after the four and eight week jumps? I guarantee you, it would be no contest.
Bob ....
To illustrate just how good this "Total Contact" is, ... My ARC CD player gave up the ghost and will no longer read discs. I'm looking at a$2000 repair bill. So, in the meantime, I stopped at the local Goodwill store and bought a perfectly working vintage Kenwood CD player. When I got home, I set the Kenwood in the place that the ARC once occupied. I used the "Total Contact" on the power cord and the IC's, used some footers that I had stashed away and then put a VPI brick on top of the chassis. With the exception of the low bass, I'm getting about 90% of what the ARC does. The highs go on forever. Price of the CD player? Ten bucks. Yep, $$10.00.
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Guyz ...
As long as you don’t disturb the connections there is no need to reapply the paste. One application is enough ... and just a very thin coating at that. Remember, its not exactly a liquid. It more resembles a powder in suspension. Like I said before, the binder, along with the cryogenic treatment is the key in getting a smooth flow with this material. Once applied properly, what is left on the connection is just a dull grey appearance instead of a shiny one. It helps to use a strong light when applying to be sure you get complete coverage. Oh, and there is no need to clean your connections prior to applying the product. Just paint it on. That’s it.
rotaryphone ...
The brush is a tiny artist brush that is intended for painting small, fine details. There is nothing "soaked" into the brush.
How many IC’s can you paste with one tube? Who knows ... a hundred maybe? I don’t think I’d want to spend the money to find out. I will say that I still have a little left in the original tube that Tim sent me almost a year ago. As things progressed the complete mixing of the graphine kept getting better and better. The original was a little, for lack of a better word, lumpy. Small pieces of graphine could be seen in the material. The final version, the version you will be buying, the version that is now in my system and in Steve’s, is smooth as silk and an even thinner application can be used. Coverage is the key, not the amount used. Like the old hair oil commercial used to say: "A little dab will do ya."
No definite release date yet other than "between Christmas and the New Year."
Frank |
Several corrections:
1. I said Tim holds "several" patents on this venture. He actually holds two instead of "several."
2. It looks like the release date at the earliest will be January 9th, and that's pushing it.
3. It will not include an instructional DVD. YouTube instead.
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Hey! Who ya callin' "Bub?" Me tinks there's still a little Christmas cheer goin' on.
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Guyz ...
1. There is no website for Total Contact at this point in time. Stay tuned.
2. While Brian Kyle's Silver based product was good initially, it eventually degraded the sound. "Total Contact" keeps improving the sound.
3. Total Contact is a graphene based product. Brian Kyle's was not.
4. I have used both Brian Kyle's product, eventually removing all of it because of the eventual degradation in sound quality ... and now the "Total Contact," which is trans formative when applied to audio products.
5. I have done my entire system with Tim Mrock's "Total Contact." There has been NO degradation in SQ in any of the three versions I've tried, including the best of all ... the last version. It just continues to improve as time passes ... even after the 4 and 8 week breakthroughs. This is the version that is cryo'd and the one that will be available for sale as the final product.
6. Based upon my experience with contact enhancers, "Total Contact," considering the major improvement it brings to one's audio system, is well worth the asking price. For the price of one tube - $299.99 - its like upgrading one's system with much more expensive electronics or speakers. Its worth the money just for the 8 week jump in SQ. Personally, I've never heard anything quite like the super clarity that occurs at that 8 week point. Uncanny, really.
7. I tried the SR Black and the SR Blue fuses without the "Total Contact," and with it. With it was clearly the better option. Like the other applications to power cords and IC's for example, the results are the same type of improvement in SQ. So go ahead ... paste the end caps of your fuses and you'll get an improvement there also. It works on every electrical contact from your circuit breakers to your speaker terminals.
8. Over the years I've used Pro Gold contact enhancer and the Red to clean my contact areas. The "Total Contact" product is clearly night and day better and serves a different purpose.
Yes, there are other contact enhancers out there. Some are based upon Brian Kyle's work, and others are an attempt to get the graphene technology to work.
As I said before, one of the major keys is in the binder. If you don't get the binder right, the graphene won't mix correctly and you end up with an oily mess. There is no oily mess with the "Total Contact." Its a real break through.
Frank
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Again ... I have used Caig products, both the Pro Gold and the Red contact cleaner. It always sounded a little bright after the initial applications and took maybe half of a listening session to finally calm down. Good stuff overall though. I know people who use Caig Pro Gold about once a month on all of their contacts.
I used Brian's Gold/Silver paste extensively, eventually having to take it off because of the sound degradation. I really wanted it to work as Brian and I became friends, even hooking up at the CES in Vegas with the two of us going from room to room trying to demonstrate his product to the various dealers, distributors and manufactures. We got one major electronics manufacture
to try it out ... and to the delight of all, it made a significant improvement in his room.
I have used three sets of Tim Mrock's "Total Contact" graphene paste over the past year, each incarnation of which continued improving. No negatives to report except for one shorted tube ... my fault on this one. I don't recommend pasting the tube pins all the way to the glass. Just about a quarter way up the tube pin should do, if you do the tube pins at all.
Geofffkiat ...
You can believe it or not believe it ... but as we will find out when it starts getting used by other members here, "Total Contact" blows the rest of what's out there, present or past, including the Quicksilver Gold
into the dust bin of audio history.
Mac48025 ...
My understanding is that the Walker product is a LOT ... a LOT like Brian Kyle's. Pretty much the same sound signature. The graphene/binder in"Total Contact" takes the technology to a new planet. Again, the clarity that pops open at the eight week point is incredible.
Frank
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oem-wheels ...
The initial application is all you need unless you start removing and reconnecting your contact points.
Geoffkait ...
"Free" has nothing to do with my evaluation. If it didn't sound right, or the product degraded the sound, I'd say so. I feel NO obligation to report that something is a positive thing when it is not.
You realize that you are questioning my honesty, right? Was there anything in my evaluation of the SR fuses .... from the original Red fuse thread, right through the Blue fuse thread, that would lead you to believe that I'm a dishonest person? If so ... name it. If you cannot name it, then perhaps you should be a little more sensitive and therefore more socially acceptable in your writings. In other words, think before you press the "post your response" button.
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Geoff ....
If you think something is "free" when you spend a year evaluating a product in three difrferent versions, taking each one off before the other one is applied, then taking copious notes as the product "breaks in," continually being in contact with the person you are doing the testing for, and finally writing about your conclusions, I have a bridge to sell you.
" Frank, thanks for the purple prose. ☂️ It’s fascinating how someone who gets a free product seems obligated to defend the product to the death."
’Whoa! Hey, let’s keep this civil! I never said you were dishonest or even intimated it. I said you were incorrect. See the difference?"
Geoff ...
No, I don’t see where you said I was "incorrect" at all. Obligated to defend the product to the death? You mean even if the product being tested sounds like crap, but because the tester got a sample for "free" it obligates the tester to promote it regardless of sound quality? That’s not accusing someone of being "incorrect" my friend, its calling the person doing the testing a liar. See the difference? In other words Geoff ... Capish?
And by the way Geoff, how would you know that my evaluations are "incorrect," when you haven’t tried the product in question and have no idea of what I, and others are hearing with the product? Or, perhaps you have tried it and have some concrete conclusions of your own. If so, spell it out.
Other than just grabbing at vapors for effect, how about admitting that hey .... you liked Brian’s contact enhancer (as did I), but advancements have been made in this hobby. Maybe these guys are on to something. As good as they were Geoff, we have moved beyond Fisher 500’s.
Lay the cards on the table Son, lay them on the table. :-)
Frank
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Geoff ...
Again, do you consider what you write before hitting the "Post" button?
"Frank, whatever."
"...why are you even here?"
"I’m not trying to be mean ..."
Really, Geoff? You're not trying to be mean? Then what in hell is your intent? State it Junior.
Frank |
^^^ "To educate and entertain?" I see. Same delusions as those suffered by that good old boy and laugh a minute Ted Bundy.
Again, what is your intent? Name it.
And by the way Geoff, at my age most people on the planet are my Junior, Junior ...
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shadorne ...
After 50+ years spent in a 100% commissioned sales career, my skin is about two feet thick. Your misinformed personal attacks and insults have no effect on me at all ... NONE. I hope you have a great 2018. Carry on ...
ehtoo ...
1. Release date will be in about two weeks if everything goes well. Stay tuned.
2. The binder is different. No oily mess.
3. This one really works ... and it works WAY beyond the price point for the product.
nkonor ..
Sorry, no 30 day trial. Unlike other products that may be returned for credit, like fuses for example, this one cannot be resold. If it were allowed, Tim would end up with a bunch of returned, half-full tubes.
Take a look at some of the stinking thinking in this thread ... and also the SR fuse threads being displayed by the very same negative souls. If they are so dishonest that they would denigrate a product without trying it, or knowing the effects even before a release date, would they be honest enough to give a fair evaluation of the product without using half of it, (which is more than enough to do an entire system), then sending the half tube back for a refund?
This is where the free market comes into play. The initial purchasers will be taking the risk. If it works like I and others have said, then word of mouth will make the product successful. If the consumer doesn’t like it, the product will fall out of favor and it will fail.
Read both of the SR fuse threads. The SR fuses are a great product currently being enjoyed by tens of thousands of consumers who are delighted with the results. And yet ... the naysayers are still spouting their nonsense about after market fuses.
I’m beginning to think that some of the Debbie Downers have ulterior motives in their attempted destruction of any new product. Could it be that they have their own tweak businesses like Geoff, or perhaps they work for another manufacturer and are threatened by innovators like Ted Denny and Tim Mrock? Or even more likely, they lead narrow, darkened little lives and get their rocks off by tearing at the seams of the dreams of others.
You can totally rely on one thing ... none of the genius naysayers in this and the fuse threads will have the testicular fortitude to step forward and be the first in line to buy it. In fact, they will stay in the background, continue to be drop-dead stupid, and remain as Negative Nellie’s and continue telling the rest of us what we don’t hear. They will NEVER buy the product even with all of the positive results being reported.
Geoff ...
Your reading comprehension needs work, Junior. In a previous post on page two I said this:
" 7. I tried the SR Black and the SR Blue fuses without the "Total Contact," and with it. With it was clearly the better option. Like the other applications to power cords and IC’s for example, the results are the same type of improvement in SQ. So go ahead ... paste the end caps of your fuses and you’ll get an improvement there also. It works on every electrical contact from your circuit breakers to your speaker terminals."
The very least you can do Geoff, would be to read the text before making your inane negative comments. Alcohol is a wonderful drug, isn’t it Sonny?
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^^^ marqmike ...
Thanks for the kind words. They are very much appreciated.
Because I love music, I love this hobby. The closer I can get to the live performance, the better I like it. When I discover a product that gets me closer to the music, then I want to share the information. That's it in a nutshell. No ulterior motive ... just honest evaluations as I hear them.
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You guys are way too funny. Too bad they closed most of the mental institutions. Its obvious that I hit the intended nerve in my last post. You are way too transparent guyz, way too transparent.
randy11 ... and others ...
Since when does one need an advanced engineering degree in electronics to determine what one hears through one's own ears? Come on man, some of the most socially backward people I know have engineering degrees. Not taking anything away from engineers of course, but they DO march to the beat of a different drummer.
Like all personality types, engineers have their own specific fears ... mainly the fear of criticism. Heck, I've known engineers who cannot even take a simple suggestion let alone a criticism without blowing a cork.
When engineers buy, they buy based upon 90% logic and 10% emotion. The world of the vast non-insane buys based upon 90% emotion and 10% logic.
Engineers suffer from analysis paralysis, while the non-insane world has no problem making decisions within seconds that would take the engineer weeks, if not months to make.
I spent 40 years of my sales career selling real estate ... a business that most folks posting here would flat out fail at. I've actually had engineers ask me how thick the friggin' drywall is. What? Was I supposed to drill a hole and measure the thickness?
My favorite was the guy who showed up for his final walk-through wearing a short sleeved striped dress shirt, a pair of plaid shorts, black socks and wing tips. He was smoking a pipe and blew smoke under the kitchen hood to see how effective the exhaust fan worked. At least he didn't have his hat on backward .... but I just couldn't miss the slide rule in his shirt pocket. :-)
I hope the naysayers continue posting their nonsense in the thread. Every time they post, they bump the thread to the top of the list exposing it to an international audience. I have no doubt that once the word gets out about Tim's product, it will sell like hotcakes.
What exactly does "Total Contact" do for an audio system?
1. Increases the holegraphic effect of the presentation.
2. Increases the realism of the instruments - much more organic.
3. A "see through" quality (at eight weeks) that was totally unattainable before.
For the price of $299.99 a sane person would think its a bargain. The mentally challenged? The guy with the loose wire? The guy with the ax to grind? Well, they're on their own and will remain marching to the beat of that different drummer wondering what the hell just happened ... as they continue bumping this thread in the direction of north.
Thank you for that ...
Frank
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Randy brilliantly sez:
"to determine if what one hears through one's own ears is really not just confirmation bias, a basic familiarity with science would be required"
Uhh, how about 40 years experience in the audio hobby Randy? Would that make up for a lack of a chemistry degree or a doctorate in electrical engineering ... just a weensy bit?
Then the number one Mensa member sez:
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I AM CERTAIN that you will have independent testing done with valid statistical analysis before marketing this very expensive product."
You can be as "certain" as you want, randy. I'm not doing any scientific analysis. I'm not the developer. Perhaps you should read the entire thread starting at page one before making anymore comments or making your own analysis of what I hear and/or think. Good Lord, what kind of engineer are you anyway?
Wait, on second thought randy ... keep the comments coming ... bump the thread to keep the international audience in place, remember??
Geeze, do you guyz think before you post?
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Where in the laws of the universe does it say that a college degree in any subject gives one the ability to read minds, or gives one the knowledge that a product cannot work, will not work, or what it sounds like without ever experiencing it for oneself?
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Shadorne sez ...
"Frank the realtor laughs about his dumb clients. Just about says it all."
There is a difference between "laughing" and shaking one’s head in disbelief. And YOU are calling them "dumb," not me.
"So what is your commission on these tweak products (fuses and TC etc) ?"
None of your business, but if it were your business you’d find that there is no commission involved. Nada.
"Do you just get the products for free? Or is their a percentage fee - realtors work on commission..."
Again, none of your business. But yes, the product is "free" to a beta tester as long as you discount the hours spent on the testing and feel as though your time and effort is worth nothing.
You have a problem with a commission based income Shadorne? If so, name it. I’d venture to say that you wouldn’t last a week in commissioned sales.
And by the way Junior, Realtor is spelled with a capital "R."
Frank
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There is a simple solution to relieve the fears of the Nay-Sayers ... don't buy the product. Stay home. Let other's make their own decisions .... and you go about your destructive activities elsewhere.
The free market will decide if Total Contact will be successful or not. For those who DO make the jump, they will find that all of the "hype" was the truth. Their positive experiences will be posted here and on other forums. Word of mouth will cause others to buy the product and success will be attained. That, of course, depends upon whether the consumers feel they got good results for the money spent, or even far surpassing the money spent. Conversely, if the product is bunk, it will fall out of favor (Tice Clock) and will be unsuccessful.
In addressing the negative posters here, especially those who have resorted to personal attacks, my suggestion would be for you to check your premises and ask yourselves exactly what your intent is. Do you get your rocks off over the thought that you may have the power to cause a product to fail even before it hits the market? If so, why? Are you a destroyer and a looter in your "normal" life, or only as a brave keyboard warrior on the internet?
Think of the time, money and hard work spent to bring such a product to market. Is this what you are trying to destroy? Do you have a problem with another individual's success? It certainly seems so based upon the treatment Ted Denney has received in both fuse threads and based upon your comments in this one as well. Ask yourselves again ... what is your intent? Why are you so destructive? Here's a knife ... stick it in Ted Denney and Tim Mrock's backs. Feel better now? As I said in a previous post ... its too bad they've closed most of the mental institutions.
Shadrone is an excellent case in point. He has no idea of what he speaks. I would LOVE to have him work with me in commissioned sales for a week or two, and when it finally dawns on him what the job entails, watch him blubber, cry and piss his pants.
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^^^ Are you drunk or high, shadorne?
Did you read the above post where I addressed all of your concerns? Are you devoid of reading comprehension? I suspect so as your writing isn't very clear and your thought process is a bit scrambled.
Again shadrone ... what is your intent? Name it.
Frank
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dynaquest44 ...
Upset? What make you think I'm upset? Are you another genius who can tell what other's are feeling? Do you read minds? If so, you must have a degree in engineering too.
You stated that the product is "over priced" and "without merit." How about doing everyone here a huge favor and post the in depth research you've done to arrive at those conclusions. Thanks ...
shadrone ...
After going to your systems page, I'll say this: Even though you have expensive equipment, I can honestly say that if I spent an afternoon tweaking your system, you'd be amazed. I'm basing this on the errors in the way you've set up your system and your room. You're missing half of the sound you've paid for. Wife problem, right shadrone?
Again shadorne ... what is your intent here? Have you looked inward in an effort to discover it yet? There has to be a reason why you are so destructive and insulting in your comments. State it. State your intentions.
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^^^ Perhaps Geoffkait has turned the corner. He must have looked inward and became uncomfortable with his intent. If so, welcome back to the land of the living and the positive thinkers, Geoff. *lol*
thecarpathian >>> Valid points. Tim is fully aware of this thread. I think he would agree with Geoff's last post. The release date for the product will be very soon, at which time I suspect that Tim will cover all of the bases to your satisfaction. Frank |
^^^ As Zig Ziglar would have said: "Just more stinkin’ thinkin' blabbed by a person who undoubtedly needs a check up from the neck up."
When are you going to post your in depth research that allowed you to reach your conclusions?
Frank
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^^^ I didn't think so ... |
^^^ I have a brother. He knows zero about Graphene. He seems to know a lot about everything else though. :-)
Frank |
docgaw ...
Thank you for the excellent review and verification of exactly what I’ve been trying to convey here. :-)
Geoff ...
Yes, it must be true that you are more well read than I. After all, you’ve been to my home several times and have checked out my library of books. Oh wait! I forgot ... you just automatically know how well read I am, or lack thereof. Forgive me as I forgot that you read minds.
By the way Geoff .... do you have any comments regarding docgaw’s post?
I didn’t think so ...
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^^^ Geoff
Uhh .... I believe you brought up the subject of "well read," did you not?
By the way, I just replaced the bulb on my 73" Mitsubishi rear projection TV. I pasted the connectors of the bulb with Total Contact. I'm getting the brightest picture with the best color and blacks its ever had. Close to an LCD but sans the cartoonish look that bugs the heck out of me with the LCD TVs.
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By no small coincidence I just came back with brand new LED FHD TV under my arm."
Whoa, big fella !!!
I just scanned the news and found nothing about a riot or looting anywhere in the country. Where do you live again? :-)
Frank |
dynaquest4 ... I find it very interesting that when researching your posts here on A’gon, one finds oneself emerged in a cesspool of negativity. According to you, nothing ... no cable, no tweak, no anything can make an improvement .... even those things you have never heard or never even seen before. Here’s a little recreation of some of your past posts. This record speaks volumes about you: https://forum.audiogon.com/users/dynaquest4/posts https://forum.audiogon.com/users/dynaquest4/posts?page=2 https://forum.audiogon.com/users/dynaquest4/posts?page=3 What’s up with you dynaquest? Do you travel through life spewing crap everywhere you go, or is it just on the Internet? Do you ever have anything positive to say .... to anyone ... about anyone ... or about anything at all? No pics of your "system" either. Do you have an audio system? If so, why not post pics? Take a hard look at your above posts ... then try to convince the folks here that you are not a destroyer and a looter of the dreams, the accomplishments and the hard work of others. Your credibility is zero, shot, kaput, Junior. Frank |
^^^ Welcome to the entertainment salon. :-)
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^^^ Uh, we (the majority here) decided long ago that there isn't a place for politics here. I love politics and would enjoy the debate, but not here.
Frank |
"Beta testers should always try to be enthusiastic when they post."
If the product is bunk, why would they be enthusiastic? How about just being objective? If the product has merit, the enthusiasm will shine through.
Frank
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^^^ Paste it with Total Contact.
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For those who are stricken by the banter going back and forth in this thread ... surely you can find a ’safe place’ to hide out until the vapors pass. :-)
By the way, with thousands of dollars invested so far and years of research at stake by the producer of "Total Contact," I find nothing wrong with pointing out who the destroyers and looters are. They need to be called out for what they are, who they are, and what their intentions are.
As far as I’m concerned, they are attempting to destroy those with an entrepreneurial spirit and even the free enterprise system itself. Again, they are destroyers and looters.
This particular thread is not the first time ... they do it every time. Want proof? Go back and reread the Red and Blue fuse threads. These are sick individuals who want to tear down anything positive that comes their way. Why else would they be so vehement in their efforts to knock products they haven’t used, haven’t seen or haven’t heard? Not to mention individuals they haven’t met.
I’ve been around a lot longer than most who post here. Over the years, I’ve seen this same type of yahoo in business ... always knocking the more successful person and continually undermining everything positive in their pathway ... and then being angry about their own lack of success.
It never seems to occur to them that they are being out-worked and out-learned by the more successful. They attribute the success of others to luck or perhaps even something nefarious, while they remain the pathetic victim.
It never occurs to them that money is nothing more than a scoreboard reflection of one’s service to others. They can’t fathom the thought that they would get what THEY want by helping others get what they want FIRST. They sing their "whoa is me" sad song where ever they go and to whomever will listen ... as if anyone really cares.
Oddly enough, upon careful observation, one finds that they usually wear their hats on backwards to boot.
Frank |
^^^ Yikes what?
This is nothing new. In fact history clearly shows that entire societies have fallen victim to these types.
Where do police states come from?
With all due respect ... perhaps these are new thoughts for you?
Frank |
^^^ ps
Sorry you missed the point.
Frank |
^^^ The carpathian sez:
1. "As evidenced in some of your posts, one could be led to believe you’re prone to hyperbolic prose. How are we to distinguish fact from hyperbole in your original post?"
How? Learn the difference between hyperbole and enthusiasm.
2. " What the heck is micro-arching? You wrote it twice so I don’t believe it was a typo."
A typo is a typo. You are typical of an Internet keyboard warrior. Find one error, make a big deal out of it, and you win the argument, right? Hell man, Dan Quayle is still getting flack over his misspelling of the word potato. He spelled it as ’potatoe," the very same thing you did in your text. Should I discount everything you’ve said because you don’t know how to spell potato correctly?? If you need an explanation as to who Dan Quayle is, just ask and I'll explain.
3. "Tell me again why this ’magic paste’ (your words) doesn’t even come with a money back guarantee?"
Human nature is what it is. Take off the rose colored glasses and enter into the world of reality. You’re still fairly young yet, correct?
4. "And what is most curious: It appears by your and Tom’s and the reviewer’s posts that there’s nothing in the way of electrical equipment and electronic products that this paste doesn’t vastly improve upon."
So far everything I’ve used the product on HAS improved. This would include my audio system (three times), my 73" Mitsubishi TV, and the Mark Levinson audio system in my Lexus. Haven’t done the refrigerator yet though. I suspect that when I do, it will operate more efficiently and it will be a savings on the electric bill. That would be a benefit, wouldn’t it? Plus, I’m really looking forward to pasting the circuit breakers. From what I understand, this is a huge improvement not only for the stereo system, but the entire electrical network in the house.
In your own experience, what applications have you made with the product where it didn’t work??
5. " Mr. Mroz and associate spent 11 hours cleaning and polishing every singe electrical contact all over his house, including the meter box, service boards and circuit breakers."
I must have missed that post. In fact, cleaning of contacts is NOT necessary prior to the application of Total Contact. I believe I made that statement here somewhere. You can do the research.
6. "There would have to be concrete scientific data to prove that it actually does what it’s claimed to do. There would have to be proof of measured improvements."
Oh my God ... another engineer! Measure 20 times and cut once, right? How about just trusting your ears? Dude! I don’t need an extensive spread sheet full of data to tell me what I hear and what I don’t hear. <Geeze!>
7. "I honestly hope it works as you and Tom described. I really do. It would benefit society and our environment in so many ways...."
No you don’t ... If you did, you’d be first in line to buy the product. But you won’t because you wouldn’t have "all of the data."
Any more questions??
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ps sez:
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Meanwhile, I'm gonna order some of Mad Scientist's graphene- even with shipping it's a heck of a lot cheaper than the high-priced spread .."
Old adage .... "A sucker is born every minute." Another old adage ... "You get what you pay for."
Sorry they removed your post. Were there personal attacks in it, or perhaps a little bit of a political discussion? What were your thoughts? Can you reword them to be acceptable to the mods?
Frank |
Carp sez:
"Actually, I am self employed, I do in fact run my own business, and at this very moment, am typing this from my winter home in Florida. These days I find New England too chilly this time of year."
Well, congratulations Carp. What business are you in? Just curious.
By the way, I find it a bit odd that you would mention your winter home in Florida. Why is that germane to this conversation??? Please explain ....
Frank |
^^^ The carpathian sez:
"You are correct, Geoff. I’m not saying it doesn’t work. I would never make that statement without verifying it in my system with my own ears. But given what I’ve read so far and the hefty claims about the product, plus the fact that I can’t get a single answer to any fair and basic question about the product, I’m quite skeptical that it works."
I tend to believe that even after answering each of your questions in detail, you still will remain a skeptic. You may buy the product, but you certainly won't be first in line. You'll wait a few years, read about the success that others have had with the product, then possibly jump in. You need concrete data and proof beyond proof, remember? Where 90% of the audiophile population can tell within ten seconds if the product is an improvement or not by just trusting their ears, you'd need extensive spread sheets full of data until your eyes bleed before you'd actually part with any of your dollars. Its okay. We understand. Its a mental condition. :-)
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Wofie_Gracia ...
Just like a serious, irritating rash, ...... HE’S BACK. !!!
Frank |
fazee ... "
Do you have any information on how the ordering process is? Will there be a product website to order from?" Stay tuned, Les ... the ordering process is being worked out as we speak. Just one more little detail among hundreds to bring the product to market. Tim Mrock will make the announcement soon. "Thanks once again for taking the time to test out the product and putting your neck on the line in this forum to inform everyone here about the improvements in SQ you hear. Cheers," Thank you, Les. I wish everyone had a positive attitude like you have exhibited in your posts.
On the SR Black fuses ... as good as the Blacks are, the SR Blue fuses kill them. Frank
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shadrone sez:
On the contrary, not only does TC fix light bulbs and old TVs but if you apply it appropriately it will cure a bad case of hemorrhoids with additional benefits. It is truly amazing."
Would you like to fill us in on those "additional benefits?"
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dynaquest ...
Winner of the grand prize for posting the stupidest, most inane words so far in the thread. Congrats to you and your’s. Please try to make a little more sense next time. Thanks ...
Oh and by the way, your comments regarding the Tesla really aren't far fetched. Oddly enough, I had that exact conversation with Tim this morning. He'll explain later ... so that even you will understand.
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ps sez:
"Does this Total Contact stuff pose any health hazards? I do realize that it’s intended to be applied in relatively tiny quantities, and that the container itself is relatively tiny."
Not if you hire a professional electrician to do your circuit breaker panel. Do it yourself and you may run into a "health hazard."
On second thought, you can do your own research. Try it as a sauce on your spaghetti. You never know, you may find another breakthrough. After all, shadrone found it useful to cure his hemorrhoids and he claims that as a result, he’s experienced "additional benefits." So far, he hasn’t explained what the benefits of a tighter sphincter are, but I suspect he will be answering the question soon enough. You will, won’t you shadrone?? Inquiring minds really want to know ...
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ps sez:
"Attn: Mods! "Bernie" alert!"
Let me guess ... you were the hall monitor in high school, right?
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The carpathian ...
You think this is hyperbole?:
" Your hyperbolic prose-"They lead narrow, darkened little lives and get their rocks off by tearing at the seams of the dreams of others..."
"As far as I’m concerned, they are attempting to destroy those with an entrepreneurial spirit and even the free enterprise system itself..."
Let me guess ... You have never signed the back of a paycheck. You have always worked for someone else. You are very comfortable getting all of the "free" benefits offered you by your employer. You wouldn’t dare attempt to open your own business, or take a financial risk in bringing a new product to market, and you think anyone who takes these risks is nutz. You are still a fairly young guy without a whole lot of experience dealing with the public. How correct is this? Also, to boot, I’d venture to guess that you’re not an astute student of history. And finally, you’re a true blue Bernie fan, aren’t you? :-)
I believe you are truly sincere. Honest, I do. *lol*
Stay tuned carp .... all of your technical questions will be answered in due time. Even then, you won’t buy the product ... too much "risk" for you. No "fairies, pixie dust, and magic paste" for you, remember? Console yourself with the thought that you are not alone. There’s a whole gaggle of your ilk posting here. Haven’t seen the product. Haven’t used the product. Haven’t heard the product, .... but think nothing of destroying the product and its future success with their inane BS before its even released. What kind of warped pleasure is there in that? Again, the nay-sayers really need to check their premises and state their intent. But then, that would take a little introspection and a whole lot of testicular fortitude, wouldn’t it? Truly scary stuff my man ...
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^^^ A Ferrari is more expensive than a Kia. Is there a concrete reason for this?
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