More Power or use subwoofer to boost bass for music

Maybe there is a different way for you to perceive people who advocate a technology which you concede has merit?

@audiokinesis

Maybe there’s a different way for swarm fan boys to behave more respectfully towards others and try to answer the OP’s question without asking him to triple the number of speakers in his home??

I did not get to this opinion randomly or without experience. Invariably, the swarm people attempt sideline any other solution that is not swarm.

My perception of the intent of the swarm promoters has gone from thinking they are merely happy fanboys to something entirely different as a result of enough interactions. The combination of lack of acceptance of previous knowledge and science as well as the attempt of fitting into every system, and random people showing up trying to make up reasons why only swarm could possibly work and misquoting experts has really worn my nerves thin.

I cannot imagine this type of behavior as coming from sincerity anymore. Maybe there’s a way the swarm cult can stop thinking I’m a fool who would not notice? Just spit balling.

@ erik_squires Hi, you seem to be on a crusade to put down something which is valid and sorts out what is a real and common bass problem. I think the recommendations, for a DBA including from myself are in response to an understandable and innocent question from the OP.

I've never put down the swarm on the technical claims, and your claim of my crusade is clear projection.  I've even seen fake / one time use accounts created to refute any other options beside the swarm are viable.
People can ask about FM tuners and some one will jump in to recommend the swarm as a fix.

It's not the technology, it is the cult and those who push it.

Best,
E

Fixing bass in a room is not always thanks to bass traps.
Having the correct mid/treble diffusion and absorption can also increase the perceived bass by reducing the mid/treble energy, plus better imaging and reduced echo. All good side effects.

In other words, you don't increase the bass, you just reduce the mid/treble energy, while bass traps reduce bass energy somewhat, they smooth it out as well.

The swarm was an interesting idea which is promoted by fetishists whose motives and honesty I question.

The truth is many modest systems achieved great bass with proper speaker placement, modest acoustics, and soemtimes a sub with an EQ long before the swarm and there will still be systems with great bass long after the swarm.

To hear the fanatics tell it, no one has even heard bass before them, and only they can fix it. Also, only they know about room acoustics.  It's magic.  Ignore all the previous work that has gone before, because it's bunk before the swarm.

Please mark me down as some one who no longer believes those people are well meaning.  I'll no longer bother arguing with anyone of that ilk. You have convinced me of your intension$$$$$$$$$$$$.

I already had made an argument for them. However in an apartment a bass array has far more chance of a successful implementation and likely less obtrusive.

Uh huh..... yeah, we have nothing at all but space in an apartment, space and money for 4 subs, and the wiring.... yeah, lots of that.

Or, as my experience and measurements have shown, you treat the room with some decent bass traps and wall coverings to ensure the treble/bass balance is correct but no.... that's too much ....???


Hahahha.  Cult.

Eric, as the OP has a set of speakers that retail(ed) for about $8-10K USD, I think it is fair that true quality is his goal. He is also in an apartment, so you really want to avoid modes as that can increase the noise transfer to your neighbors and limit how much bass you can practically get.

Yeah, and you just made the argument for bass traps and room treatment.  Thank you.

Erik

Ralph :

 I have nothing against 4 subs. They are technically a good idea.

What I have a problem with is the cult that they are the one thing that should be discussed when a poster asks for help with a little more bass.

That is the cult. 

It's like some one who won't go to the store to buy a bag of rice because all they have is a Mercedes and the Ferrari is in the shop.

The OP: I have 2 speakers and I’d like a little more bass, closer to what was in the showroom.

The cult: Your problem is you have 1/3 the number of speakers you need!! You must add 4 more, bring it up to six!!!

Are any of you listening to yourselves?? Really??

Jesus, the 4 sub cult is strong here.

Sometimes amps are the problem, if you can get a loaner, go for it. If that doesn't help you dramatically, look to the room.

I remember the bass was pretty punchy when I heard it in the dealer showroom, but I don’t seem to get that in my setup.

While I love subwoofers, room acoustics are a better place to look first.

The key part of your description here is that you say they sounded great in the showroom, which was probably better treated.

Why don’t you give GIK acoustics a call, and in particular ask about their soffit traps?

Do your room first, then you’ll be in a much better place to evaluate.

Best,

E