Ck out the promo vid on the Magnepan web site,,hahaha These things acutally come from another planet, even the moon has a pair.. UNREAl. Made by other world beings,, technology not of this planet... haha https://www.magnepan.com/LRS-adI hope I am not starting a mad rush ordering,,, as I have not yet placed my order... My recent speaker experiements have cost me $3G's and am low on audio cash... ,, spent it all, NOW I found what I was looking for. Thanks guys for all the suggestions. |
OK I did not care for Hifi's vid showing how to make Magnepan more stable = better sound. To m thats snakeoil But here Hifi hits a home run Employ a electronic xover to cut off bass and there you will have superior mids./highs. No doubt, HifiGuy is onto something big here. I can use the dual W18's as bass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXErcOEdTuI&t=808s |
Maggies require a little kick in the pants so to speak... To really sound good. I love them.. Always have.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ WEll I always recall reading how planars needed big juice, so I forgot about these type of speakers. Some guy on another audio forum suggested I ck out Magnepan. I told him, I think they are no longer in business. He sent me the link to web and from there I researched all night. Ain't no doubt this is the speaker I;'ve been looking for. *a good kick**, Yeah so i read. WEll I have this Defy7 with some reserve power. Finally get to put it to use. Will run the W18;'s as bass. Will look for a electronic xover take out the bass = allows LRS to voice better mids/highs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXErcOEdTuI&t=808s |
russ691,189 posts07-23-2021 1:30pmIf you go Magnepan step up to the 1.7. That is a really good loudspeaker when setup right.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ can;t I;m broke Spent all audio cash on Thor upgrades Full range experiements + The Vox Project = $3G's. All I can borrow from the wife is $850 :-(( |
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@under $1G,, these lil LRS’ will sell like hot cakes on a cold alaskan miners camp.
Rumor has it, wait time is like 6 months out,
Could get alot worse if Magnepan is not doing anything to up production turn around.
Either build a new section or work 24/7.
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Somehow I missed the stats/ planar/ panel ribbon speakers all these past 20 years.
Just did, out of lack of understanding what they were all about.
And hard to know what was hype and what was truth.
As you guys know so well, there is alot of hype involved with speaker reviews/opinions.
Seems most seasoned audiophiles place planar/stats/tall ribbons as **The Golden Benchmark** as a standard for comparison.
So if someone says, **WOW these box speakers are really something**,
WEll they should be judged next to either a massive expensive horn system, or a planar/ribbon/stat.
We need a standard,
Since horns are not as acessible, based on so mahy limitations. budget being the principle reason why we can't all owna big horn system. That leaves these Stats/panels/tall ribbons as ~~THe Reference Point~~~
I'll be very happy with the Little Ribbon Speaker.
Will be a sheer joy and pleasure to finally hear my classical with rich, dynamic, deep soundstage,, Not sure if I can add **Wide** as we know these type designs have a certain sweet spot.
Which was once a issue with me, now means absoluetly nothing.
The only other limitation to using some of the larger panel speakers is quality of high power amplification.
Bottom line is, for under $1G, there really is no other speaker on the market that can compete with the Little Ribbon Speaker.
Its a great way for newbies to jump into this hifi hobby w/o breaking the bank. And end up witha speaker that will be of lasting value (no need to upgrade/flip) for many years to come.
= No big disappointments,, (Such as we've all had with box designs).
Listeners fatigue comes from the speakers.
The speaker that has the least amount of coloration/distortion which is none other than ~~listening fatigue~~~ wins the shootout.
I asked this Q some 20 yrs ago, here on Audiogon, **Speaker shootout at the OK Corral***.
I walked away not learning much, with my preconceived notions.
2 things I did note from that topic was that stas/planars, need big clean power and that tiny sweet spot.
So I looked elsewhere, back to box, and the SEas Thors.
Now i am more awake and realize it is the panels which will be most ideal, if not ~~perfect~~ to draw me into classical music, especially big symphony passages in full bloom.
Maybe later on, I'll go up a notch to a larger panel.
Right now I just want to get the Little Ribbon and settle in , after some recent experiementaion disasters..
The only good thing in the Thor upgarde was keeping the new Mundorf 10uf in the bass xover which gives the W18's, a nice kick in bass, which some may find a bit soft, but better that before with the old Hovalnd caps.
Thats all I really needed to do, was swap of the caps in the bass , get rid of the Millennium and add this Little Ribbon Speaker,
I'd be far ahead of the game, had I listened to what my tech geek was saying,,~~I LOVE my maggies~~~.
I was not listening.
His Maggies are big, like 4 panels and uses a big amp. Out my league.
I'll report back when they arrive in some weeks,,,,if I can find the cash soon enough before they are sold. ...
Planars, sets ~~Some Standards~~~ I refrain from ~~THE~~, but at least some, = midrange etc etc,,= dang near THE Golden Standard in speaker evaluations.
Newbies take note,
~~Ban the hype~~~
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maybe there is some room for box speakers,, this DIYer seems to think so. Sure YT compression does not give us real time listening,,,but read some of the comments,,, hummmm, I'm still for panels though. Consider, what is the price tag on the Sonus fabers?? OK, now I'm paying ~~UNDER~~~ $1G for the Little Ribbon Speaker. Sure the SF's have far superior bass, highs are pretty rich also, but again price comparison. I'm into midrange , where most if not all my calssiacl music is voiced. I do not need/ nor want Sonus aber's bass, /extended highs. Again, Panels always seem to come out as **best bang for the buck*. +'s and -"s, at the end of the day,,,ahh shootout, Panels (in all their variety) is the last speaker standing,,,, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A5F992xy3Q |
jjss493,224 posts07-27-2021 9:58am@murphythecat
best
I want the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
only the best will do ... must have the best, not second best, not third best, the BEST
~~~~ WEll I am back My tech geek has blocked my Magnepan Speaker Project, It is officially ~~CANCELED~~~ Yeah i know, i mouthed off how special the mids are. I have a jadis Defy7, which has a reputation for beinga bit touchy with certain speakers. And so taking his strng urging advice,,I had to cancel The LRS Project,.. I just bought a pair of DavidLouis 6.5 , bigger brother to my DL 4 inch. My new Speaker Project will be adding a Crescendo tweeter xossing at say 4khz and running wide open wide band DavidLouis 6.5 the yellow cone style , Which he recommends over his other 2 , for superior female vocals. This set up will be much more Defy friendly. maybe not the best mids, but certainly superior to many big brand name speakers. 500hz-3k hz is the critical hz's in any speaker. WE need to forget rock solid , tight accurate drums/ bass and also highs when reviewing any speaker. What happens in any demo at a dealership, is , we get carried away with deep powerful bass on a nice test cd and glorious super sweet dynamic, sparkely crystal clear highs,, Meanwhile we over look (Not tuned in ) to muddy, fluffy, colored , distorted lower mids - upper mids. Happens every single time. Dealer test quality cds , can get you to sign the dotted line every time. Buyer beware. |
Last week, spoke some time on the horn with Josh over at Madisound about speakers , performance, and fidelity
He summed up Seas Excel Magnesium line quite well with the word **Neutral* = Non colored.
The only weakness with the Excel line is their rather low sensitivity.
Josh also brought up one of Murphys Law,, the one that say,
**You can 2 of the 3, but never 3 of 3*
Translate ~~You can have rock solid accurate bass,(Scanspeak) + most glorious sweet crystal clear highs (Magnepan ribbon tweeters) ,,,,the caveat will be the sacrifice of something in the midrange fq zone...
= The fly in the old soup.
For my musical preferences entire midrange section is everything. |
jjss493,224 posts07-27-2021 9:58am@murphythecat
best
I want the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
only the best will do ... must have the best, not second best, not third best, the BEST
The mids in the Seas W18's, DavidLouis 6.5 , Seas Crescendo, perhaps not near the best,,,but certainly are not prone to crappy midrange. faults and weaknesses which many famously expensive commercial big name speakers suffer from this fatigue syndrone. (Vandersteen, Thiel) Here in this video is exactly what I am refering to. WOW what peaks of distortion,, Fatigue in less than 1 hour. I could not stay in this showroom longer than a few minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4w8BavaC_0Expensive, famous, popular. yet prove Murphy's Law. 2 of 3, never 3 of 3. |
Ck out all YT reviews of the Magnepan.
Every review gives 2 big thumbs up,
Try to that on any speaker on the market.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KzmktPjk5o&t=535s
mozartfan07-23-2021 8:19a~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please keep in Mind, These speakers, although may be ideally the best midrange for your classical music, your Defy7 may not be the **match made in heaven** So please be aware , ck 1st with your geek guy to make sure your Defy7 is a happy camper paired with the LRS. ,,~~~~ Be right back,,,, OK just cked with Tech Geek. **Defy7 may nt like the LRS ohm load, and so why take the risk?/** I told him, I agree, why take the risk. 86 db/4 ohms... hummm, Nah, I'll stay with what is now making some really nice fatigure free musical sounds. Just ordered another DavidLouis today. Yet once again, the big trade off. Have to give up Magnepan beautiful midrange, and keep the Defy in good working order. Tech feels best amplifier for this load is a ss amplifier. |
Magnepan’s are a very well known loudspeaker. Perhaps the OP is on the young side (his vocabulary suggests that such is the case ;-) .
I'm 65 years old Just some learning disability thats all. anyway, Just heard some bites of your recommended LFT-8b Sorry I do not like the mids, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHtqBBn_VLA |
I've moved away from stat/panel designs,,
back into the cones,
~No sweet spots
~Any amplification friendly (minus SETs, obviously)25watts doable 6-8 ohms
~Any placement will work just fine
~all around sound bass/mids/highs all represented.
~Not expensive(under $3G's
~cabinets can be built DIY from $100 Home Depot Sanded Plywood. (Horns not needed)
~Subs not needed
~added tweets not needed
~Do not break down, no upgrades needed(as long as you buy the right drivers , the latest offerings), if upgrade, easy, pop one woofer out , add another. Same with tweet, Just dumped the Millennium, adding a Crescendo.
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btw my speakers are the best and about to get even better..
Arriving this week, DavidLouis 6.5 yellow cone wide band paired witha a THor, soon to be upgraded with a Crescendo tweeter. Have 1 already, The tweet is a beast, far superior to Seas Millennium.
Oddly enough fits right in perfectly to the Millennium slot in the front panel, yet alomost 2x's the magnet weign and total weight.
Sure it is going to be one strange speaker, Thos witha added wide band, but it is the most perfect combo for my symphonic cd collection.
Richly detailed, full with super wide soundstage. Every nuance in the orchestra can be heard.
Going to get even better with the new upgrades. |
with going dirt cheap, most other good speakers (magnepan, vandersteen, Wilson, and hundreds of others)
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None us here are interested in **the good speakers***
either we have the best or nothing.
Magnepan has too many isssues to deal with.
Which is why my tech geek had to cancel my fantasy on owning a pair of Magnepan's.
These speakers are not tube amplification friendly.
This is old news, but should be emphasized when discussing anything panel design.
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and up with the proper amplification?
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When any speaker
~~Requires~~~
correct amplification for best performance,, you know we have problems.
Like AER/Voxativ requiring SET amps, fpr best bang.
Panels for best bang, big ss amplification.
I just do not see any justification in either design as superior to regular old xover cone designs. Which need no specific amps to sound their best.
The only wide band I know of that is friendly to any amp are the DavidLouis.
MADE IN CHINA.
Perfect?
No, but certainly best bang in a shootout with panels and high sens wide band.
Thats for sure.
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