kharma 3.2 & sub...


hello my friends....ive been reading at least two years your forum but i just signed up.....its never too late they say......:)

i would like to get some feedback about the kharma sub....i know this has been discussed before but i would like to ask some questions and hear opinions form people who actually own it....im using the 3.2 and a gryphon diablo integrated...resolutiion opus21 cd and valhalla cables......

1. people say the integration is semaless.....but this happens when they put the sub under 80hz....what about using it intil 150 or 200 hz...????

2. will i gain sth in spl or "perceived" spl....?????

3. will the woofer in kharma speaker work less with the sub in..??or it will move thesame but the sub will laso move...???if it works less maybe the mids will become sweeter as well...???

4. Do you think it worths it...???.does it fill the bottom octave..??..will i be trully full range....and bottom line....
WILL THE MUSIC BE MORE SATISFYING...???

thanx a lot guys,,,
mike
mixalis

Showing 3 responses by d_edwards

Yes, and since I build speakers similar to the 3.2 with Accuton drivers, I have zero difficulty with integration. I

What is the problem is the same thing Seas Mag Excel driver guys have is the tremendously low distortion afforded by Accuton neo and Seas drivers through 300-100 hz range where they are magnitudes lower in distortion than many comparable drivers. Just have to use the right subwoofer. The 12" I use works great for a $1,500 subwoofer.

Personally, I don't know where the difficulty comes from.
Its not a problem to add a sub to the 3.2, although I would not recommend the Kharma sub unless you like your bass to oooze.

Kharma's a very flexible and easy to use with a sub and I disagree with all the advice you have received so far about your speakers. Its a ported two way speaker, there are any number of subwoofers that would be compatible. The Accuton 6" benefits greatly from the help of a subwoofer.

E-mail me if you're interested in how to do this because I don't wish to debate this issue with others who already have stated alternative experience. I've done it many times, with outstanding results. There are much more difficult speakers to add a sub too than the 3.2's.
Just an FYI on this thread,

I am quite certain that all the users with bad results with the sub, tried to splice it on too the 3.2 without cutting the low frequencies to the 3.2. (splicing= trying to get the sub woofer to match the 3.2's without contouring the 3.2 's low frequency response and simply bumping the subwoofers output into the 3.2's bass extension)

Incase its not already clear, that isn't going to work. I didn't realise (couldn't belive it really) that this is what people were talking about.

hopefully it is quite obvious that this is the wrong way to add a subwoofer to a ported two way speaker.

You need to cut the 3.2 off at about 70hz (+/- 10hz) depending on room and woofer placement (preferrably 2 subs and not left and right----mono subs.)

Once you do this stuff the port of the 3.2 with some socks? this will help the speaker a great deal and give you a complementary rolloff from the speaker to help keep deep bass from the 3.2 and improve its linearity under high output conditions.

Now this has increased the somewhat restricted dynamic output of the 3.2 by 10 fold. and now the sub can work over a wider bandwidth blending seemlessly with the K3.2 Satellites, room interaction will dictate the slopes, but bessel low Q filters are the best for being transparent but they can be more difficult to blend. Most of these following crossovers are very flexible and offer an almost overwhelming amount of solutions.

Crossovers from XTA (digital in digital out)
Lake Technology
or if your on a budget BSS Audio all work well.
Some people like DEQX also

The onboard EQ's can allow room correction and TIME ALIGNMENT with the woofers. Time alignment is more critical than almost any other setup parameter.

There's a little more to it, like sub selection but a speaker like the 3.2 is a minor challenge to add a subwoofer too because it simply does not play that loud. So you likely won't need a $10K subwoofer. Maybe 2 $2500 ones.