Question for my learned betters to include Rok.
I just saw another dis comment on here on how terrible
Rod Steward is on his American Songbook Records, which seems to be the general opinion in all quarters.
I grew up on this music, its in my bones. I have all of them
and I think his love for this music is patently obvious and that he does a great job on them, more love in him for the tunes than many who made them famous .
Feel free to 'dis me. |
I read it Rok, whoever this Pimentel dude is he should be nominated for the fool of the year award , give Rush L. some competition. |
Some sort of selection process ??
A classical player who wishes to be a soloist or a player in a top orchestra, goes through a "selection process" that lasts for years and years under pressure that causes many fine players to whither under.
It's like you got into med school, completed it and your internship, and then had to compete with a dozen other docs
in a hour oral exam where that decided which ONE of you
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Well he was a highly talented musician that some call eccentric, others creative and some a nut job.
His sheer technical ability makes him astonishing to listen to even if you don't care for the end product.
In no way am I qualified to make any intelligent commentary
on Gould .
But to say what I think, which is ONLY what I think, I don't like that he skips all repeats, plays in a staccato manner with heavy accents no one else makes etc, its like he is trying to make an musical x-ray of Bach before he starts to operate.
I had his famous Goldberg Variation/s recordings I gave them away so I guess I did not care for them.To me he's a non-starter compared to the great Bach keyboardists like Hewitt, Tureck, Schiff and Perahia.
But it well may be I just lack the acumen and background to recognize the genius of Gold. |
Rok, if Jesus came back tomorrow with all manner of never heard or dreamt of signs, miracles and wonders and an Angelic Choir of fifty million announcing him, you'd ask to see his birth certificate. |
Frankly, to perhaps expound a bit on what Frogman says, I do not believe anyone who says he loves something ,or somebody, and does not want to learn everything he can about
it or them.
Be entertained or having a need met by something or somebody is not loving it or them. |
Hey Jazz pe0ple. would I be wrong in thinking Horace Silver ensemble was one of the "tightest" groups in jazz ?
I just listening to "Cape Verdean Blues, and they damn sure played together according to my amateur ear.
What J.J. couldn't do on the "bone just don't need to be done . |
Decades ago I saw Roy Clark the main man on the "Hee Haw" hillbilly TV show , on one of the late-night TV shows.
Roy was a trained musician and a good guitar and mandolin player who played jazz guitar for years before switching to
country where the cash is.
The host asked Roy why there were so many jazzmen in country,Roy, who was more than a little drunk, blurted out"because you have to be really good to play out of tune ALL the time " . |
There is no truth on the human level without a marriage of emotion and intellect. |
I read Bob Parlocha passed on the 15th, age 76.
Feels like a friend has died. |
Amen, O-10, AMEN.
He will be in heavy rotation in my prayers for a long time. |
I'm glad you will stop posting on this thread, Frogman.
It was painful to see you butting you head against willful
and invincible ignorance.
May God Bless you during this Easter Season and beyond, you are a example of courage to all. |
Alexatpos, the term "invincible ignorance" is a theological one.
It exists because at some point you continuing effort to show an ignorant person the light simply drives them ever deeper into ignorance at which point you duty is to simply cease and desist. |
Learsfool, there is an unbridgeable chasm between those who
love something for how it makes them feel and somebody who loves the thing itself.
If rationality could bridge the chasm they would never have been one in the first place. |
Horace Silver's sound was just as unique as Mary Lou's if not more so. |
pjw
. . thanks. I’ll look for " Bouncing " P.S. 5 min later on its way from Amazon .
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Rok, IBM has warned that every aspect of logistic movement of vaccines
is hacked down to a tee by world best hackers .
Canada was also smart enough to move everything with military and will start right after Christmas. In charge is a MajGen who was NATO boss in Iraq.Heard him on CBC saying he will commence dry-runs next week on land , air and sea. Sounded like a sharp Gen. to me.
If you see Gus, tell him I would not move a small fridge without at least 28 troops .
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O-10 or other vet , Did you get your VA vaccine yet?
Got mine for next week today in mail.
No doubt because my age .
Cheers |
I should ask frogman about how much average Jazz player makes .Those Airman , all things considered , get 80k to 120K with around 60k
pension at 25 years .Lot of them teach at music schools like North Texas after that .
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By definition those whose talent was never heard, and common-sense will tell they are legion, remain unknown .
It IS better to be lucky than good .
Jazz could be and was nurtured in Europe , MANY great
players spent long terms in Europe to escape American racism with no effect on their "greatness" .
I've heard well known jazz artists say Ella had the voice but Sassy had the heart and soul and had forgot more about music than Ella knew . |
Hank Mobley Is to me the most interesting jazzman I know about . Hard driving but still rhythmic and melodic, even
a fool like me can't mistake him for anyone else.
I wonder if Kurt Elling was influenced by him ? |
Orpheus10, thinking about it, at one time in Berlin my wife and I lived next door to a full-time mom who was also a sub wind player for the Berlin Radio Symphony Orchestra(R.I.A.S.)and with whom wifey was good friend and baby-sitter.
They had some big parties in the summer and a lot of those
classical players could play the hell out of jazz and vice-versa.I still remember about a dozen of them laying down a fab "Cherokee" . |
Jazzpeople a ?
I saw a late-right rerun on PBS last night Of the Lincoln Center Jazz Band and the sax player in front,a HUGE man about
a cheeseburger away from 400 lbs, played a solo about as beautifully as music can be played . Whats the guys name ?
I hear folks dissing Wynton, but anyone who doesn't think that a great band needs to check what they're smoking . |
I grew up in a time when a form of Jazz , big band + American
songbook vocals, was THE pop music of American Culture .
Seems to me biggest thing that happened was Audience died/is dying and young population was brainwashed by rock .
There are social psychologists who believe rock is a genre
that looks inward and thwarts community which is useful to a society where half the population is really not needed in any role other than consumer . |
I love Elaine Elias as well, I like her piano playing as well or better than her voice.
Her and Karen Allison are my go-to girls among current jazz divas, Sassy and Carmen among the deceased . |
There are a lot of fine Jazz players in the Twin Cities and in accordance with the "Minnesota nice" laws in force here they are all humble .
OBVIOUSLY jazz and classical players as well must gravitate to bigger cities or they would starve to death . |
The back and forth about what music is has less to do with what it is than what one believes ,consciously or unconsciously , the purpose of music is . |
Thanks O-10 !.
Same to you and to all ! |
Learsfool. there are a number of Korean string players in the Twin Cities groups ,notably in the St Paul Chamber band.
It is hard to believe how good they are. The SPCO has two young lady viola players that are the best string players I've ever heard.
Any clue on whats up in Korea ?
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Speaking of Jazz , listening to my fav Christmas CD, Mel Torme Christmas Songs on Telarc.
Jazzy, classy and a real pleasure to hear, old carols jazzed up a tad in a refined and respectful way by a true musician .
More I listen to Mel the more I think Kurt Elling took Mel's Phrasing 101 Class . |
rok2id, Were you in combat with the Ist Cav ? |
rok2id, cool with me but I know others who did that would take offense . |
US Army is what it always was , good soldiers led by incompetent careerists . |
rok2id, A lot of the guys I was with in the Ia Drang see it as an Icon not to be used unless you have blood in the game .
I don't agree but have seen violence over it .
Merry Christmas ! |
Learsfool, Been thinking about what you and Frog said .My hunch is using
my eyes more than my ears, is that the Koreans are always looking at each
other and try more than the American players to play and blend together as job #1 , the technical issues being a given
When two are playing alone in a part it seems like only one is ..
Only my hunch though . |
" There are no bad soldiers only bad Generals " Napoleon
90% of Officers ARE politicians and I know exactly what I'm talking
about in a manner no non-combat vet ever could . |
0-10 no. I just remember the excuse for war before that the Tonkin Gulf incident which also never happened .
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rok, Nappy said it during the battle as the "Old Guard " was in full retreat.
Sincere wishes for A Happy New Year
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Thanks rok. I was a Plt. Sgt and my chopper was shot down, several times. Pathfinders motto is "First in, last out "
To each his own and all, but I told all and sundry if I fell to leave me just where I fell and move on , God could find my atoms wherever they were
and he did not love one piece of ground more than another . |
Beats me rok.
Though if he read the memoirs of America’s Greatest Mission Accomplished General on the events there in the 1840’s- also one of
the few members of the WPPA who did not turn traitor in the 1860’s,
it wouldn’t surprise me if he had a special concern for its rightful owners .
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If it wasn’t for Learsfool. Frogman and Almarg the rest of us fools would just get dumber and dumber !
God Bless them all.
A recent development in Music i find very promising is various Orchrestras
having "Associated Artists " . They sign for say 12 concerts over a 3 year
period and arrive 3-4 days before a concert and rehearse with the Orch.,
instead of here today gone tomorrow jet-set soloist who spends 10 minutes getting meters from the conductor.
To my old ears makes a big difference on all fronts . |
A little known,relatively small school that has a hell of a good jazz program is U of Wisconsin-Eau Claire .
As I recall Downbeat ranked it #1 several times .
It spreads out to the city of Eau Clare as well, I seriously doubt if any out of the way town of 80k has as good a jazz scene . |
rok2id, that kool-aid bottled at West Point is the strongest and most long-lasting on the Planet !
Only known antidote to the severe hubris attacks it induces is the Reality brand bottled at the University of Hard Knocks .
Happy New Year ! |
One of its greatest grads said about all there is to say on that subject in his farewell address.
The greatest speech ever made by a US President and completely ignored
There can be no doubt though the view up the Hudson tops Sandhurst , St-Cyr, Bundeswehr-Hamburg,, NDA-Yokuska et al, though RMC-Kingston gives it a run for its money.
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Yes, he was never forgiven at alma mater for telling the truth.
Even more so for telling all in government to "never trust the Generals" on a regular basis .
Total US casualties in WW II were at 420 K, not all in Europe obviously .
Most military historians are of the mind that the German and Japanese forces had some role to play in that.
NO nation, or group of nations, in the world has any M-I complex remotely as expensive as ours on a per-capita basis or any other basis . Greatest danger to USA, by far, is its debt .
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Speaking of Jazz, jazzists -I am listening to a Larry Willis solo CD I bought
yesterday at Goodwill .
He sure is an elegant pianist , is he a big deal on jazz scene ? |
Hard to be more wrong for many reasons, too many to state on here .
What Mediocrity hates is truth . What it loves is braggadocio. |
I never heard of Larry either O-10 . Only reason I bought his CD at Goodwill was it was a Mapleshade , even with no liner .
Listened to " Solo Spirit " half-dozen times. Mr. Willis is a big deal to me, tons of soul in the most general sense of that term .
Just ordered 2 more of his CD’s on Amazon ."This Dreams on Me" and" My Funny Valentine " |
