Help with TT ideas for my first TT


Hi All,

I have been reading alot of reviews and searching around for my first TT.  ALot of recent recordings that i want are basically only coming out on vinyl or super crappy mp3.  I have an Aaron integrated amp, with some custom built SB Acoustic Monitors (Bromo).

I am looking at the marketplace in the 1 - 1.5k range and see I can find alot of different solutions and wanted to get peoples thoughts:

Marantz tt-15 - Seems like  bargain at 1500, but difficult to setup
Clearaudio Concept - good reviews, bumps against the magnetic arm (Cement floor at my place)
Music Hall MMF 7.3 - Seems like a great solution
VPI Cliff Wood
Pro-ject X1 or X2 - Have read some reports of motor noise
Rega Planar 2 or 3 - Seems to be they are what they are

With such a crowded field how do people choose?  I live in Central Mass, and dont have alot of options in terms of auditions so would love to get peoples thoughts. 
kro77

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Thanks for the feedback.  Why Ortofon? I was wondering is there a bug used market for carts or do people just change them out as the mess with them. 
Sorry for all the newb questions, but how do people decide on one? Seems like hard to demo compared to cables.

I have read blue and bronze are good but the mofi has some decent ones.  Thinking of sticking with mm to start. 
So I was listening to my newly arrived King Crimson 200g LP today.  I barley heard any pops.  Only difference is i swapped the LP to a MOFI anti-static back, and then pulled it back out and cleaned.  

Yes a few pops but nothing like i had with the others. I did not do this with my previous LPs so I am going to try this again.


So I have been listening for a week and the sound is nice and fully from what I can’t tell. However I still get pops in my lps.  I have static cleaned the new records and cleaned the stylus( made things better).

what i am not sure is this normal or is something off with my TT?

thanks all
Do I stir the pot as to what I should play first?

Right now i have Sgt peppers repress from a year ago, and Phish Junta from this summer waiting.  I have King Crimson on order.
Really, that different thanks for all the tips.

almost done now. Seems like a whole néw micro universe to obsess over.


I guess I expected some, especially between tracks but during playing it was in expected.

I guess why is a bar line of what is to be expected versus above average?
I am hearing the marantz maybe a good value of parts but they dont really work well together, or are harder to manage to get good sound out of compared to the others.,
argh more choices, I came here with 6 now up to 8.

Based on the list what are things that people think could be over rated or at the bottom of the list.  Seems like the 1 - 1.5k range is very busy with lots of good options.

The MMF, MoFo and Rega seem to be moving to the top of the pack.
Is it the biggest contributor to a decks sound?  Looking at the ultra versus studio they seem pretty close except for the carts.

Have a lead on a Clear Audio Virtuoso v2 for about four bills, which seems to be reasonable and what was in the Marantz.  Would this make a big jump compared to my studio tracker?
This is my second system so I am comparing to my
main which does this better and why I am looking for it. But to you your point it could be sone thing different so will compare some cds between the two to get a better baseline. Initially there was some minor brightness but that was resolved with the phono cable change.

with respect to used cartridges, why is a reasonable life span of a cart, 1000 hours? More or Less?  Also what are signs of a cart is worn out, or what should I listen for?

You guys have been great as a resource appreciate it.
That is a pretty big comparison as I think that is like a 6 - 7k setup.  Could it be that the Marantz name just does not have the Cache of some of the other boutique brands?


How does the MoFi compare to the Music hall solutions, i believe both were Class B recommendations in 2018 by stereophile
Yeah I am doing some research, which some of the discounts thinking of starting with a MoFi Deck as it has a 60 day guarantee and then go from there.  Seems the lowest risk option and see where I go from there.


My Studio Deck arrived today so will work on figuring and setting it up.  Ended up spending less than i had talked myself into at 918 bucks which seems like a really reasonable starting point.
Thanks for the link @knollbrent  it is the studio tracker, the master tracker is almost what i paid for the whole rig. I think i am going to work my way up to this.
Seems like a lot of good press out recently between what Hifi and stereophile recommendation for the ultra deck. Thanks all
I like the wall mounted shelf idea, had not thought of it but makes perfect sense...
Good tips, my tracking force is within spec according to Mofi, but will see if I am having some issues with the cart as the pops do seem to continue compared to people recording their sessions or their rigs are just more quiet.
I have it setup in my basment system with my workshop.  It sounds really good, i dont know what i was expecting, but I enjoyed the call it ritual of playing the disc, and the sound came out.

Am very pleased so far..  but I dont have alot of reference points.
This has been my first venture into vinyl and for sure I can hear stuff differently on some of these recordings.

really fun so far, but I almost that quality of recording has become more important now.


I got the Boundless brush and MoFi brush to do cleaning so far.  Have not had to deal with much.  I have a Korg ADC for ripping Vinyl but getting alot of pops on that. I think it is more related to the USB cable versus the TT, but trying to diagnose that at the moment.

With respect to VPI upgrades are they that modular?

Adam
That is a bit of a longer explanation than i expected.  I honestly dont mind the hiss between tracks.  As you say the noise in a concert hall before the band, or orchestra comes on is normal and part of the experience.  However hearing a pop mid music seems abnormal, and unlike a CD that is plug and go, so the reason I am asking what is expected here


To you pint there does seem to be a difference to LPs that sound some what different.  The few I have purchased so far are supposedly decent recordings but again they are new pressings.  I have a better Johnny cash recording coming that may be a good comparison.

any reference recordings of what a bad video  setup sounds like on you tube you guys can think of. Again I am more of a newb figuring this out as I go with your guys and gals help.


I like this:

" Nobody ever said they’re taking the bus because they can’t stand the way the car picks up paint chips. Same deal."

So far i have taken to going down stairs each night with a beer and listen to one or two sides to just disconnect.  To your point there is something to just starting and letting the music go versus the instant change of the digital world.  More like a concert experience they begin and then end, you can skip or fast forward.

I am going to look at putting together a phono cable next just for fun, found what looks like a decent solid core silver one with low capacitance.
Rolled my own phono cable, and it seemed to have taken some of the top end brightness off the system.  What fun the tweaking is.
Continue to listen and it seems to be coming along.  The phone cable I put together I think is better than my reused rcas.

morphine is sounding really good.  
Can a cart change make really a huge difference? Looking at a clear audio virtuoso v2 for what seems to be a good price.
I would like better separation. Sound stage is wide but not as deep as I would like.

I acknowledge I like part of the chase, and the tweaks that are part of the audio experience.

I know I need to do more research, but how do people compare without rolling the dice.
So I tried out the clear audio cart with David Brubecks lp.

Wow what an experience, were there pops? Yes, did I care not really as it was just part of the experience.  Could be a great recording, could be a good cart, could be both but there is some thing special going on for me.  The segregation. Of Instruments is just fantastic, I can see the snare and symbol of the drummer, the piano is fantastic, as is the breath of the carinet.



Watched Youtub on how to clean records and I was doing it wrong.  Definitely cleaned up the sound quite a bit.  I found place near me that is a vinyl specfic shop so will see if they have that service. 

@knollbrent  14 carts how do you find time to change them so many?  Changing my carty one time made me think i did not really want to do it any time soon.

Rolling tubes sounds like fun, as is cable rolling.  I have been playing with different cables and cords as of late with DIY stuff and finding it to be much better than the supposed good stuff I had from the store.