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Regarding two aftermarket power cables: "These differences in the shapes of the musical waveforms are far too small to see or measure with even the most sophisticated technology, yet we as listeners not only routinely discriminate such differences, we sometimes find musical meaning in these differences."

 Nonsense. Just because people claim to "routinely discriminate" differences doesn't mean it's true or they're right. Apparently many have witnessed UFOs but that doesn't mean they actually saw extraterrestrial visitors, does it? Some have seen/heard a deity speaking to them "routinely"; does that imply that they are surely communing with an unseen/unmeasurable spiritual force(s)? Can we not put a little more effort into confirmatory reality-testing first when "the most sophisticated technology" can find nothing in 2020? (Of course, speaker cables can measure differently as per here, here, even if not necessarily audible in many cases by the time we connect amp to speaker.)

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cleeds
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audio2design
Diminishing returns is the term used by audiophiles with more money than common sense in order to justify that there will always be an improvement ...
The concept of diminishing returns is a well-established principle. It is a very real thing, not some imaginary factor.
... in reality at some point there is no audible improvement, and many changes are only different, not better.
You contradict yourself. If a change results in a difference, then it's possible to establish whether it is better or worse, both objectively (at least in theory) and subjectively.
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Apparently what I wrote was too nuanced for you to understand Cleeds. My apologies. I am sure it was clear to most.
Don’t be silly. Your "nuance" doesn’t conceal your ill logic. If two components can objectively be shown to be different, then one can be shown to be superior to the other, at least in theory.
... in reality at some point there is no audible improvement, and many changes are only different, not better. 
Many of your pronouncements suffer from faulty logic, @audio2design, and I just ignore them. But this one was exceptionally absurd.
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Audiophiles with more money than common sense have gone beyond diminishing returns they’ve reached negative returns.
With only rare exceptions, pretty much all audio equipment results in a negative return because it depreciates so quickly. Audio equipment is part of a hobby, not an investment.
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