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Looking at your system picture, I'd say: Get the room!! Let your wife have her living room back!
Glory's wife, now that's funny. I had to show this thread to my wife, who has no interest at all in my hobby. Her reaction to Kipdent's system pics was "oh my God." She agrees with you.
Jeez--I didn't think my question would provoke such (good-natured) kidding! I really am looking for some ideas on a new table/rack/platform, so after the laughter dies down, maybe someone could make some suggestions?
some truth hidden in that kidding!
You seem to underestimate the "fifth element" the ROOM!
And the room acoustics that come with it.
I totally agree that's were you should concentrate efforts and $$$ next.
PS: there comes a point when switching 'boxes' does NOTHING more for you then - changing - but not really - improving -the sound. I of course assume you are looking for 'more' MUSIC rather then a changing ~ 'sound experiences'.
I concur with the other posters. Get a dedicated room if you can. If not, the first thing is to get your tables out of/off of that Salamander (at least, it looks like Salamander). I would think that with the Vibraplane all that you really need is sturdy support for 350-400 lbs and some surface area, so there are lots of options. Without the Vibraplane I should think your options would be fewer.
There is no need for concurrence on a dedicated room--I guess my original post was unclear in that I am definitely moving forward with that. The question was about what recommendations people had for table/surface areas for my turntable set up, with the plan to use the Vibraplane.
Dan_ed, any specific recommendations regarding the "lots of options" for a table/surface?
Another point to make (especially to Glory's wife!)--the Apogee Scintillas never reside in the living room for more than a few hours at a time because of their ridiculous scale in our living room,. Even I agree with you! I move them out on a dolly to make the living room normal again after my listening sessions, which are too rare. Hence the dedicated room project. My everyday listening is with the JM lab speakers visible behind the Scintillas.
sounds like a plan you got going.
The next thing is NOT to underestimate the least / fewest acoustic "tricks", without going over board, as can be seen with some posted systems.
You would not want to get an effect like some wood-pecker might have in his cave :-)
Acoustic room treatment is not exactly that 'simple' to arrive at, as some well treated, thought-out room might suggest on initial viewing.
I was thinking that just about any sturdy/stout table, desk, other piece of furniture should work as long as it has the surface size adequate to support the vibraplane, assuming that all of your TT gear will fit on the vibraplane. I also see that you are using granite under things. I am not familiar with the feet on your gear, but my experience with granite under my table has not been completely successful. Replacing the granite with the vibraplane should provide a big step forward. It is also possible to reduce or eliminate the effects of granite by using other vib control devices. In my case the Stillpoints have worked well although they also lend a bit of coloration.
The nice thing about a piece of furniture is that you are giving back to the look of the room. Something this simple, if done right, can really get the SO excited about that even if they never come round to insanity that is this hobby. I'm thinking at the moment about one of those server pieces you sometimes find with dining room sets. Or, something antique. I'd bet you could get the spouse involved in that hunt! :-) However, if you have the money there are plenty of commercially available stands that should work very well.
Although I would agree that there may be an issue with having the motor on the vibraplane, there could also be an issue with getting the motor pod in the same plane as the platter. I would suggest that you stay prepared to experiment once you get things setup.
Thank you for your terrific, on-topic suggestions, Dan_ed! I really appreciate it. The stout, antique furniture / table idea is resonating (pun intended) with the spouse!
ok Kip. so it looks to me you decided already how big the room will be, what materials you are using for underground, ceiling etc. All your ideas are driving your architect into despair... And you just have to find the perfect stand for your TT.
May I suggest you have a look at www.copulare.de and
just to get some ideas what is possible for your wonderful big Micro to put on.
You may also look for Micro bases like BA-50 or other ones in Japan. Sometimes they appear on Yahoo.
I did put my second motor, The VPI, on a piece of slate. Slate is a perfect damping material for vibrations. You need to go to the cemetery people, they cut it for you in the size you need, I have some more thoughts but this will end up in an article maybe... :-)
Wow new listening room! congratulations...
Sounds great but I think the last thing you should worry about, after carpet installing is the TT rack. Will your new room be made of masonry, with concrete floor? and roof? This will make more of a change in your systems response than the TT rack, and of course more costly and you wont be able to change it in a couple of months if you dont like it.
What about something like this:
I do wish you the best on your project, which ever you decide.
PS. I use a TT rack made out of welded steel pipe and sand filled with great success, I have a 2 inch thick sand stone slab on top of it.
Don't forget room proportions. Can you build it to Golden Ratio
proportions to minimize resonances?
Johnnyb53--yes, I think I will be able to, complete with non-parallel walls.
Kip, why not share the details on your room plans? Is this an addition or remodeling a basement? How crazy are you going?
Yes, i have my lucid, somewhat social moments. :-)
Many dedicated rooms I see look like caves. Small or no windows, wall to wall records and ugly diffusers with no original art (paintings or sculptures) and a single high back listening chair.
I enjoy a room with a great view and I light up the out of doors with spots to bring nature in- no matter what the time of day. I am a firm believer that a picture window or bay window can be brought to use without any serious degrading sonic effects.
Let your eyes and your heart design the room and avoid the audio batcave.
Kip, pls. design your room for audio listening purposes. Nevertheless the atmosphere is really important, you need to have light and some spacy feeling. This is what most people forget and never experienced before. This room must be something different when you start designing it. It is not for looking at landscapes, big glass fronts bring down your audio pleasure. You better do this in nature
This is Glory's wife again--
Will you make us a deal on your audio dolly when you get your new room? That's a great idea for getting all the oversized stereo items out of the living room. And how did your wife get you to move it in and out? I'm always having to move acoustic sound panels and various assorted gadgets and what not.