Cerious cables - Proper setup and run in time


Results on testing Cables especially Cerious cables
These cables need at least 4 days to settle in, if you take them out of the system, (The process starts over again.)That is the only proper way to do this , because of the liquid ceramic , that is the only way to fairly judge them point 2. if your loudspeakers are over 90 db effficient Bob needs to know at Cerious , also if you are in a high Magnetic area such as airports. Bob would rather not have to sheild them if possible. High efficiency
loudspeakers will bring out hum for sure in a non sheilded cable ,that is why results showed this on a 101db loudspeakers at Srajans .Try the test under these guide lines I have laid down, after 4 days you will see a totally more positive result, a very natural not pushed presentation. Please remember , and try this,
many times people get used to artificial enhancments
Like a Valhala cable for example excellent in some areas and applications,way to clinical in other systems dependand as in most all cables,
and preference .Go to a symphony and listen,
things in life are ususally smoother than you experience on a playback system ,especially cd , ananlog is allways smoother .I have been a audio engineer for over 30 years and have voiced several electrostatic loudspeakers .
Where in the midrange they are natural, and magical.
The big debate on reference cables, compared to in life , or not, also Bob at Cerious needs to ask how efficient
the speakers are,impedances, and the environment and surroundings to
give sheilded cables if needed .This will become standard procedure soon. Happy listening, PJ.
aaudiophile

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TBG - glad you liked my review.

Here is a link to it

http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/cables/messages/114253.html
Regarding my response to Stan:

It wasn't till after I responded that I did a search and realized you had in fact auditioned the cables in your system, so I appologize about the "selling" comment.

That being said, Cerious is shipping out my entire set of cables this week, which includes RCA and XLR IC's speaker and power cords.

Call me a sucker for the latest in technolgy, but I ordered a set of their speakers as well, the Two/bass, which will take a few more weeks to arrive.

If the cables don't suit my current speakers, obviously I'll have to wait to pass judgement till the speakers arrive.

I'm confident though that since I'll be using Cerious cables and speakers, that they will match quite well. It seems most people ordering one of their speakers would try the cables, so I'm sure they were voiced with that in mind.

Actually I'm looking forward to having thier cables smooth the top end a bit of my current system. I just received the brand new PS Audio phono stage today, and it sounds wonderful, but is so extended on top (same with my PS Audio GCC-100 pre/amp) that it aggrivates my tinnitus a bit (which is bad today for some reason)

This PS audio gear gain cell stuff (to me anyway) is so extended on the top that some sources (CD) can sound a bit harsh on top. They have so much more information compared to Spectral gear I upgraded from (which I still have for comparison) that cables with a relaxed high end could just be the ticket for me.

This whole thing reminds me of how MIT cable used to be rolled in the highs because the spectral gear was so wideband it could use the taming. (Though I did move on to other cables that were not rolled in the highs with good result)

I will certainly keep people posted as the cables arrive (and settle) and then soon after once the speakers arrive.

I'll also be letting people in the NYC area have a chance to hear the Cerious gear in person (provided everything works out sonically).

I made this offer to Cerious since I live in a major market and their is currently no where to hear these products in the area, and since there has been a bit of a controversary surrounding their cables.

"Why would anybody buy the speakers after hearing the cables? Must be a masochistic audiophile."
Stanhifi

Can I retract my applogy to Stan? (okay I'm kidding)

After talking with and reading comments by several owners of Cerious Speakers, (Ken, the owner of the reference) indicate that he has never heard a better speaker at any price at CES. WHile that is certainly not an exhaustive comparison, it tells me that something very special is going on there with Cerious speakers.

After reading the Cerious technical explanation of what they are doing (read many times) combined with the other things I have read and heard from Bob Grost, there is no denying that even products from Wilson seem low tech in comparison. (execution is another thing however) There is simply no one doing what Cerious is. The technology in and of itself is no guarantee of top notch sound, but putting pieces of the puzzle together, their technolgy, user comments, the success on building upon what Bob had done with Alon, all lead me to put my money where my mouth is. (of course with the confidence of an in home trial period)

Probably few have read every word of the Cerious site multiple times over like I have, but the physics just seem to make sense. One example - Look at the compression wrapped kevlar. Having experimented long ago compression wrapping my current speakers (but to a much lesser extent than Cerious)I am believer in the benefits. (and I still run them that way)

Look at the rigid and non rigid ceramic materials for resonance control and backwave absoption, crossovers with no resitors, built right into the cables, fluid filled pods in the subwoofers, Alum. tubes with lossy materials for resonace control, and no stuffing needed for sound absorption.

WHo is offering anything else like this, and especially at these price points? Though the not terribly expensive off the shelf drivers are treated woth ceramic compounds, That's the only area where there could possibly be room for improvment, (i.e using components from Skanning, or designing their own drivers, but that would bring the cost up quite a bit I think.) I even asked Bob if they have ever tried one of the diamond deposited tweeters in thier reference, and was told yes, with excellent results in the treble, but without good integration with the rest of the freq. range. Bob indictaed the diamond tweeters sounded great, but never blended and thus stuck out. Though not a fair comparison, this is exactly what I heard listening to the B&W diamond series speakers.

SO my plan is to try the Two/bass and if I really like what I hear, save up to buy the reference (if money and space permit)

BTW I am only getting one of the Bass units,(and at a nice cost saving over two basses) and the Two's will go on stands out in the room. Since I am tight on space this should be a good solution, (and with enough bass to satisfy my relatively listening levels) and might be the way I order the reference, should I do so. (The two and 1 bass seem like a real bargain)

I'll know in a few weeks if all this radical technology truly sounds better than traditional cabinet materials (that actually cost alot more), but I am sure that there will be a synergy between the cables and the speakers, so I'm not worried
about some people's finding the cable not to their liking.

I'll have the cables in a few days to test with my currents speakers and of course will share my findings here.

"More absolute truth- he never even tried Cerious Cables."

Okay, this is a pretty serious accusation. I will email Bob Grost to confirm that Stan ordered and returned cables.
My Cables came today. XLR, RCA, Speaker and 5 power cords.

Right away with no settling I noticed the standup bass on the CLark Terry Chesky LP sounded really nice- completely on its own, in space.

CD vocals that were previously whitish sounding became much smoother.

One thing I noticed it seemed harder to concentrate on the sound, as opposed to the music. I always find this to be a great trait in a component, when you just get into the music even when you are trying to evaluate sound.

I cant wait to really hear them in 3-4 days. I'll post back more info.