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Brinkmann Bardo

I just replaced a Clearaudio Avantgarde Magnum with a Brinkmann Bardo. Both had the Phantom tonearm II.

Wondering if anyone else has bought this table and what their thoughts are?

My initial impressions are that it grabs your attention and does not let you wander off in thoughts as you listen to music. Maybe a little less open then the Clearaudio, but more grounded and solid as a result.
I definitely like it more than the Balance, which I found to be too "damped" and a bit boring to listen too.

I also felt that changing the arm to the Graham resulted in a more profound change and improvement to the character of the system than the table swap.
dbjain

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downunder
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So how does my Pioneer Exclusive P3 stand. The Pioneer motor is a slotless linear motor using their Stable Hanging Rotor System.

Is this the best DD design of them all ?

http://www.thevintageknob.org/PIONEER/P3/P3.html#
downunder
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Are Brinkman serious that it takes 12 seconds for the platter to reach 33.3 rpm's?

That is insane, much slower than a belt drive table. My P3 takes 0.3 seconds.
So you don't turn it off after initial switch off?

How doees this effect real speed stability - a real positive for most of the higher end DD's.

cheers
downunder
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Lew, for me, yes it would.

I use my two DD's and really appreciate the ultra quick start up/start down time. With the slow start up time and heavy platter, I gotta wonder how good it is in maintaining the continous bass control and speed stability that these older Japanese DD are known for.
Even with my TW, I switch it off every now and then as it is sometimes a pain clamping on and off with the platter spinning.

Dbjain

You own one of these nice tables, how have you found the slow start up speed in actual daily use ?
downunder
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Hiho

The cut and paste white paper you put up here is more a simple narrative lumping all DD's into the $100 bad rap sheet.

I certainly do not hear any of the so called negatives Brinkman have brought up in my two DD tables I currently have- just the opposite, then again I am not comparing to any $100 DD's either which I agree with Brinkman on.

BTW, I am glad Brinkman have brought back the DD approach, but lets not confuse an advertorial with a true white paper.

The white paper will do its job in distancing Brinkman from those nasty mass produced $100 tables of yesteryear.
downunder
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Lew

Unfortunately Ian and myself live 1000km's away from each other. Its a big country downunder. But Jasper and Ian both live in Melbourne - so you never know in the future.

the p3 frankly is too big to move easily, the Monaco is considerably smaller in the real estate it uses.

Does anyone know the differences (outside of plinth) of the GP Monaco and Brinkman tables on the DD side of things?

downunder
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Hiho Chill mate

I was specifically talking about the Brinkman so called white paper, how they lumped all DD's into the $100 Japanese DD's they were referring to.

It has nothing to do with my turntables - however they are the only tables I can compare to Brinkman's generalisations.
Guess what, Lew does not hear those generalisations either with his DD's.

It is wonderful you can get Dual EDS,Lenco or your Kenwood table that are clearly in another league than the $100 japanese mass market DD's that Brinkman were lumping all DD's into.
Hence my comments
downunder
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Audiofeil

Nice to see you have been doing some calculations for me on time I have saved, however I am guessing you know that was not the main point of my Q.

To add to Glai's question.

How does the Brinkman DD sound compared to their more expensive belt driven big brothers?

cheers
downunder
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thanks Lespier. I believe I had the only one til this week when my mate Jaspert took delivery of one.

The P3, Lewm's Kenwood LO7D and other dd's prove that Brinkman are on the right track to ressurect the technology.

Another mate of mine bought the Monaco DD table and sold his Basis Debut as it was getting no play.
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