Audiophile Priorities and Recent Topics


I'm increasingly fascinated by the number of threads that have been created lately by OP's who have joined over only the last 2 months with less than 30 posts that all seem related to the importance of wires and tweaks. While I'm not dismissing the notion that everything matters in hifi (including digital cable), it seems that these topics vastly overwhelm thread topics that clearly would have more influence to hifi audio sound such as discussions of the sonic characteristics of various amplifier topologies, the importance of simplifying the signal path, and identifying fantastic speaker/amplifier synergies, etc...

If some unsuspecting newbie were to stumble onto this forum they would likely come away thinking that a fuse or a piece of wire are the most important elements towards obtaining wonderful hifi sound. This is unfortunate. For example, my discovery of listening to a SET circuit years ago paired with speakers possessing a high and flat impedance greatly outshines any joy derived from identifying the finest digital cable produced by man. I'm simply questioning the hifi priorities that this forum seems to be obsessed with lately.

Is it just me?
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I've seen arguments about cables since Monster introduced the first so called 'audiophile' cables. These arguments will likely go on until there is some kind of agreed upon evaluation of the efficacy of cables and/or any particular cable. In that case how about forever.

As for tweaks, many more have been invented over the years, I recall a time when only tweaks were of the diy variety. Much more fodder for opinions today.

Not all using tweaks are trying to get away with something on the cheap. For many they are the final products purchased for systems otherwise optimized. Seems to me the reason they're called tweaks.

Finally, repetition is the lifeblood of social media, without it these places would die.
I wish someone or something would define exactly what tweaks are.
Is there an objective list of particular devices or group of devices? Therefore, room treatments, cables, AC, footers/isolation, internal parts such as capacitors, resistors, etc. ?

Assuming there is such a list, who decides which groups or particular devices belong on that list?
Perhaps someone hears an effect from any particular device or group of devices. Is there some objective criteria that proves this person couldn't have heard what they stated they heard?
Is there some objective criteria pertaining to any particular person's estimation of value of any particular device or group of devices?
I agree a certain amount of skepticism should be practiced with particular tweaks. My criteria for possible purchase or believability for a group of devices or particular device is it has to observed to be effective to a relatively large number of people for a number of years. I can't be exactly precise on numbers or years. We've all seen some tweaks come and go, I assume the ones that are spoken of year after year are effective to at least to some degree, to some people.

And so, I see these threads as providing a service, at least to me. Someone is either providing introduction to new device or commenting on a particularly well known device. The new device will fail or succeed in marketplace and feedback on well known device is appreciated.
Based on one's criteria for what is a tweak, I either use a lot or very little.
Again, I'd like to know exactly what is a tweak?




That's what I thought you meant. I might even agree that newbies could be mislead on tweaks, depending on my assumption of what newbies might think. My issue is some posters entirely negating certain items and/or particular groups of what they perceive to be tweaks. This could be just as harmful to newbies in that they may mislead in another direction.

I've long observed systems getting more complex over time, more and more links in systems, assume this would be called tweaking. And then we have the optimization of each link, tweak upon tweak. Isn't this the natural evolution of audiophilia disease? I'd only suggest keeping the horse in front of the cart.

One could more precisely estimate bottom line value of fine tuning devices by removing every single one and compare. I'm not gonna do it. I've often done this when adding individual fine tuning device. Sometimes the addition of device is such that I couldn't go back to prior state. In that case, the device is invaluable. Add all the fine tuning devices together, becomes even more invaluable. I know I won't be removing my fine tuning devices.
Who would sit on this audio peer review board, and what form would this analytical analysis take? I don't think audiophiles will ever accept any appointed or elected audio peer review board in the near future. There is so little commonality between individual systems, highly likely each system is totally unique on this earth. And then there is my individuality to account for, I may interpret what I hear differently than some expert.  I highly doubt mass audiophile agreement to some audio board's determination of some instrument measured and/or double blind or some other iteration of so called objective listening tests that rates audio equipment in hierachy of sound quality.
There may be a day when acceptance of some instrument measured audio sound performance hierarchy will be accepted by the masses. I'm sure some  outliers will continue to decide for themselves, at least until the audio police confiscate their equipment or place the outliers in audio reformatories where accepted norms of sound quality are inculcated.
I think most of us are quite content to freely build our own audio systems and interpret it's sonic performance based on our individual perceptions. And so, argument in the audio realm really not need take place if the above subjectivity kept in mind. Self appointed judges who'd be more than happy to sit on these peer boards would love to send me to audio re-education camps.