Anyone use a DVD player as a front end?


I was at a friends home today and listened to his system which is fronted by a Pioneer DVD player. My friend plays CD's on the DVD player and in his very nice system,the sound was extraordinary. Far superior to many transport/DAC combos that I have heard. What's going on?
janeb

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Jane -- Jitter that can be introduced at the interface between a separate transport and dac will be a sensitive function of cable length. See the comment by Tobias in the following thread, and the subsequent comments by me and others:

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr_post.pl?ddgtl&1237611683&2&3&4&5

Obviously this effect is not relevant to a stand-alone dvd or cd player, but perhaps it was a factor in your listening sessions with transport/dac combinations.

Regards,
-- Al
Al - the best digital cable supposed to be 1.5m to avoid reflections from impedance boundaries coming back straight at the edge. There are Bergeron diagrams showing what happens to edge with different propagation times and slew rates.

Yes, exactly! That's what was said in the link I provided.

Interesting comments about the Benchmark -- thanks.

Regards,
-- Al
Bob -- Thanks for calling AudioDiffMaker to our attention. I hadn't heard of it previously.

I looked through his 20 page slide presentation, though, and I'm a bit mystified as to how it is supposed to be able to reveal (or reveal the absence of) very subtle tweak-related differences, considering the time-varying inaccuracies that figure to be introduced in capturing the material into a computer.

For instance, on page 14 he lists, among what he calls "uninteresting differences," "small sample rate variations." On page 17, he indicates quantitatively how that can severely degrade the results, and indicates that "the best fix is to lock sample clocks." That would, I think, imply two sound cards doing simultaneous captures of the two sets of material, with their clocks locked together. Most computers are not set up that way, and depending on what is being tested both audio streams might not be available simultaneously.

Also, more generally, it seems to me that the zillion or so asynchronous things that continually happen in a computer, resulting in constantly changing noise conditions, are likely to result in some of that noise coupling into the sound card and its a/d converter, swamping the subtle differences being tested for, via sample rate jitter, signal-to-noise degradation, and other effects.

He does refer on page 18 to the desirability of running a dummy test comparing a sound file to another capture of itself. It would be interesting to know what kinds of results people have gotten doing that.

Thanks again for calling this to our attention.

Regards,
-- Al