Anyone have experience with MSB Technology products compared to dCS?


Looking for feedback from users who have experience with MSB Technology Discrete or Premier DAC. I currently have have a Lumin T2 and looking to upgrade to either the MSB with an Aurender N20 or the dCS Rossini Apex.

Currently have a Roon Nucleus Nucleus+ and NAS drive by Synology DS918+ connected to Lumin T2. I have found that using the Lumin app directly versus going through Roon produces significantly better soundstage and SQ.

If I go with with MSB I need to also purchase an Aurender N20 (or something similar) or if I go with dCS I connect as I currently have my Lumin T2 setup.

My 2 channel system setup is as follows: connections are transparent Reference power cords and XLR interconnects and speaker wire, preamp is an Audio Research Reference 6SE and Amplifier is an Audio Research Ref 160S with Wilson Audio Alexia speakers and 2 REL S812 subs, one for each channel. Primary music is jazz, classical, rock in that order.

Would appreciate any feedback from current or prior users on the experience or recommendations.

Thanks for your input.

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@pdreher i have no intention of getting rid of the Roon Nucleus+. Thanks for the feedback. 

A few years ago I happened to compare MSB Select II to a DCS flagship (Scarlatti?) -- i.e. not the models you are looking into. For what it's worth, I went with the Select and it was, subjectively, an easy choice. Not bashing the excellent DCS, I just liked the other one better.

Lower on the food chain, but I have a dCS Bartok and MSB Analog DAC. Comparing house sounds, they are both really great but different. I’ve heard the Vivaldi One + clock and used to have a Network Bridge + Paganini DAC. There is a common house sound. Haven’t heard the newer MSB stuff. I find dCS to sound more like live music and a little more detailed and dynamic, but MSB more cohesive and analog sounding (it’s in the name of my particular DAC, afterall). I find my listening habits with dCS are more analytical, picking out the sounds of individual performers, whereas with MSB I tend to get more lost in the music.

If you have a decent set of headphones I recommend checking out Jay’s Audio Lab MSB Reference vs. dCS Rossini shootout on Youtube to get some idea of their respective sound characteristics.

If you decide to go MSB, I just posted a Network Renderer module for sale here on Audiogon. I was going to look at getting a Discrete DAC to pit against the Bartok, but ultimately decided I’d like having some variety and I like the streaming options with dCS better. MSB doesn’t seem to care to support streaming services aside from Roon, but dCS updates its Mosaic platform occasionally. For example, in the last couple of months they added support for Tidal Connect. I like that business model and think it’s really important when it comes to streaming.

I have compared the MSB Select II and DCS full Vivaldi stack in the same system (~$600K), and preferred MSB by a long shot. I forgot to take notes and evaluate the sound when the MSB was playing, just got lost in the music. It was tonally rich, yet really detailed and insightful. Playing the same songs on the DCS system was analytical, more artificial, less natural, less analog. Half way through the songs I would just want to switch back to the MSB. It was the difference between hearing a performance and hearing hifi if that makes sense. Also heard the MSB Discrete vs. Bartok, similar results.

@divertiti Great Feedback!  Curious how you have your MSB connected to your system.  I was told in order to connect I would need to get something like an Aurender N10.  Thanks!

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