Allnic Verito Z:Owners and those familiar

Dear Tpsonic: I just heard the Verito and agree with Dlanselm. It is a cartridge that at both frequency extremes performs in " lesser " grade way especially at the top but on the low bass is not good enough either.

Yes the Xv-1 and even the PC-1 are better quality performers as is the Coral one.

Nothing special to comment on this Verito cartridge.

regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.

Dear Tom: Well there are a lot of cartridges under 1K that beat the Verito mainly MM/MI ones but even the Celebration makes a very good " job " and you always can choose something like this:

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?anlgcart&1261423180&/Shelter-9000

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?anlgcart&1261282177&/Soundsmith-The-Voice

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?anlgcart&1261280408&/Miyabi-Standard

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?anlgcart&1261118939&/Benz-Micro-LP

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?anlgcart&1260796919&/Dynavector-XV-1s

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?anlgcart&1260635219&/Audio-tekne-MC-6310

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?anlgcart&1259039011&/Van-den-Hul-Colibri-XCM

At the end is you who have to pull the trigger, no doubt about.

Tom, some of us try to help nothing more.

Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.

Dear Gersimon: The cartrridge was not mine but of a friend and with more than 100 hours on it. I test it in two different tonearms with different headshells. It performs better in some than in others but the whole cartridge performance is ( like I posted ) nothing especial even for its price.

Now, IMHO how is that a cartridge designer ( with all respect ) build a cartridge with almost no voicing ( I have to assume this because of those troubles with the aluminum and the kind. ) where he detect the " wrong side " of the item?

Now, if I pay 2.8K for a cartridge that does not sound even decent till you find the ebony shims or the like then I have to pass.
Now, I will take every single effort in a cartridge that at the end can show its " marvelous " and great quality performance but IMHO this is not the case with this cartridge.

The music sound reproduction for me is something critical and serious as is for all of you and we all are customers and we have to ask for better and easy audio items.

Dear friend, do you want something like this: great and easy? that outperform any single cartridge named here? well there are some and one of that cartridge IMHO is this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Bang-Olufsen-B-O-MMC1-MMC-1-Cartridge-RARE_W0QQitemZ120482629912QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0d530918#ht_500wt_1182

Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.

Dear Matt: You are right audio is not " simple " and I don't mean in that plain sense but: imagine that you pay 2.8K ( big money ) for an audio item where no one knows that to perform good you have to add those ebony " devices " , I'm sorry but this is crazy.
You say you try a XV-1 well this cartridge perform good in almost any environment, yes it could perform better with some tonearms than with other ones but in general you almost always have a good performance. You don't have to be a " fortune-teller " to find out its real performance.

Now, many of you already put those 2.8K on it so you have to live with till you find something better or something that you like it better.

Now, I'm not questioning that you like it ( and other people too: owners. ) at the end of the day what I say is not important as certainly is what you say/think when you are who must live with.

It is always difficult not to have a controversy on subjects like the one here where exist so many different parameters/stages to make a statements on a cartridge ( any ), in this case more complex due to those singular " characteristics " for a good matching tonearm and build material on direct contact with the cartridge.

Anyway, I think that everyone of us are looking for the " best " sound reproduction performance through our analog rig and if you think that the Verito was the right way to achieve that's fine.

I add that for all of us, including Tom, this controversy can open " new " alternatives like the one I linked. Why we try with " new " cartrridges? why we buy new and different cartridges? what are we looking for with all those cartridge, tonearm or TT changes?: I assume a improvement in our system quality performance, well the Verito can't give me that desired improvement but the B&O in the link can and did in a wide manner.

Maybe I'm wrong but this is the way I " feel " and the way the audio experiences made my way of thinking.

I respect any single opinion in this forum and learn from any single one, this is part of my audio experiences.

Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.

Dear Matt: Maybe the differences in our each one opinion on the subject is biased for our each one refrence today standards on quality performance.

Mine already changed in the last few months thank's to " new " cartridge alternatives. Today my standards on this area are not only different of what I had but with higher quality.

I don't like to be " steady " and conform with " more of the same " because IMHO I think that we have to help to the music reproduction trying to improve every single day what we are accustom to. Some one says that " evolution " is part of the name of the game and I agree with.

But " evolution " is different for each one and not because each one of us are different as a " whole " but because each one of us are at different step on the audio learning curve " ladder ".
What for you today is great certainly " tomorrow " will be only ok. In the same manner what for Tom is poor today maybe for me is ok and not because one of each is wrong: NO it is only that we are at different level in the audio learning curve and maybe too because some people are more " tolerant" with the audio devices/links than others.

IMHO this " tolerant " diferent range level is what in some way preclude that our lovely hobby grow up and improve faster and the Verito is a good example of this subject ( like many other audio items. ), let me explain a little about:

in USA the people is very exigent in its everyday " services " that they receive: restaurants, what we buy on different kind of stores or supermarkets, how the employees in any store treat us, how we claim for a warranty service in any goods including our cars, etc, etc. ALMOST ALL OF YOU ARE NOT COMPLACENCY WITH WHAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO RECEIVE IN CHANGE FOR WHAT YOU PAY but in Audio your attitude is totaly different you pay big money for products like the Verito with out compliant about, maybe next time you will buy an audio item where to that item achieve a decent quality performance you have to find a " little sheet of paper coming for and only from Nepal " ( dramatization. ) where you have to have on hand to hear that audio item.

This " weird " attitude preclude/stop that the designers/builders/manufacturers/distributors be better. Why all of them have to improve when we customers " hold out " everything: we pay with out any compliant and with a " lamb " attitude.

I always ask: WHY? and I don't have a precise answer about.

IMHO the whole Audio Industry grow up for the better at the time that we IMPROVE like CUSTOMERS every single day and not because we need better audio designers.
Today we have what we deserve due to our " lamb " attitude. I invite you to change!!

regards and enjoy the music,
raul.

Dear Tpsonic: The " lamb " attitude is a common one all over the high end audio industry.

We receive new cartridges with a little bent cantilevers or a stylus tiny out of center in cantilever place, amplifiers with different gain/output impedance and frequency response in left and right channel, the same for preamps and other electronics, phono stages with different RIAA curve for each channel, electronics where the builder/distributor say that needs 500 hours to sounds good, recordings/LPs ( 50.00 each and more. ) with off center hole/waves/noise and the like, electronics full of distortions and inaccuracies, etc, etc.

This is what we have in each one audio systems and we accept it and follow buying these kind of audio goods/devices.

Gentlemans, those people are taking our money big money and they are not the culprit but us Customers that we accept it.

This is my concern. We are a " shame " ( no insult to any one. This is not the subject. ) like a Customer.

Tom, an apoligize to deviate your thread but I can't see that day by day our beloved hobby goes down and down in that mediocrity hole and we all Customers are helping to do it deppest. IMHO we are " supporting " products ( like the Verito. Their electronics are not better either. ) that don't deserve it in its today " version " because are more a unfinished product that a real product that is made with an excellence for the quality. I know that all the factors/environment that surrounded the high end audio industry makes things not only complex but in some areas almost impossible to fix but if we don't do nothing on the whole subject or at least " proclaim " about then things will stay almost in the same state for years to come and against the high end audio industry it self ( we are part of that high end audio industry. IMHO we don't exist like Audiophiles thank's to the high end audio industry but the high end audio industry exist thank's to us: mainly. )

Good that you go to the court on that cartridge problem. Of course that if each one made/make the same maybe there are not enought courts to solve the several audio claims and in the other side we don't want to use our time in court.

Anyway, I finish here with my concern in the subject and where my " way of thinking " makes that I share it with all of us. So return to the thread and my apologize to all of you.

regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.

Dear Gersimon: I'm sorry but ARC never been my kind of reference standard and I know very well that series you mentioned.
In the other side that Louis recording is superb no doubt about.

regards and enjoy the music,
raul.