Do I need BOTH amp and pre to be sonic holography?


I have Carver TFM 35 amp and C6 pre. I was considering replacing Carver pre with McIntosh C35 pre. Would I still have the sonic holography with just the Carver amp, and any thoughts as to whether this might be a worthwhile change/upgrade? (I'm not concerned with a tuner at this point.)
countvan
get yourself a good tube amp.
sonic holography is just another phrase for sound stage
back in the 80's i owned a carver preamp w/that sonic holography feature built in & used it all the time. i had the m4.0t amp at the time which emulated a tube amp supposedly. for it's time i thought it sounded great. carver used to sell an individual holography component (small black box that Zydo mentions above) that was installed inline somewhere - like a tube buffer i'm guessing? seek out that box if you can find it or just buy zydo's. just for grins i'd love to hear that setup again:)
Carver's system, otherwise known as the 'Sonic Holocaust' was a way to clean up the stereo image.
When recording say....just for example.....a singer and band with a pair of microphones, each mic will get information....somewhat time delayed, perhaps, from the opposite side.
Sonic Hologram will subtract right side information from the LEFT and left side information from the RIGHT. This eliminates the 'crosstalk', if that's the right word.

Polk did the same with speakers a few years later, by having a pair of midrange drivers about 6" apart horizontially. The distance was decided by the space between ears.
They fed signals between speakers to accomplish the same 'subtraction' and used the distance between drivers to account for the time delay.

I never heard the system. I'd like to hear it with headphones.
Magfan Pehara and Zydo have it right. The Sonic Holography circuitry took a band limited (mostly midrange) signal from each channel, delayed it slightly, and injected it in reverse phase in the opposite channel. Carver built the circuit into their preamps, and also offered it in several stand alone configurations. The C9 was a dedicated Sonic Hologram processor, and the ECS-U included Holography along with several other speaker control functions for the Amazing series speakers. Both units went between pre and power amp, or in the tape loop.

In my early years of audio (the 80's) I loved the Hologram generator. It required careful setup of speakers, room and listening position, but the effect was quite startling on most material. Images extended well beyond the speakers and often wrapped 180 degrees around the listener. You could often hear the acoustic space if the recording was live. Occasionally sounds would appear to come from behind.

As I grew in the hobby I realized how gritty and transitory both the C9 and ECS-U sounded and I weaned myself off them. They were built with crappy parts and cheap power supplies. Sometimes I wonder what a high quality implementation of the concept would sound like.

Crosstalk cancellation would be a natural for digital processor implementation, and a vaguely recall the some Meridian processor offered it as a side function.

As Magfan mentioned, Polk offered a series of speakers in the 80's that atured an extra midrange driver in each speaker that was fed a reverse phase signal from the opposite channel. Spacing provided the necessary acoustic delay to make the effect work.

Bottom line: The Carver gear was never great sounding, and updrading the pre would be a good place to start.
The phrase was something like 'Interaural Crosstalk Delay'.......

In my (now ancient) messing with backchannel phased speakers (no delay) I was able to get great results by using a 2nd amp and wiring a pair of speakers IN SERIES between positive poles. Live recordings were LIVE.
In those days the system was a pair of JBL4311s in front w/ an SAE power amp and a pair of RSL3600 Studio Monitors and a Kenwood KA7100.

I STOLE the idea from the then popular DynaQuad circuits I saw.