Tubes to Watts Ratio


I own a pair of great sounding Quicksilver M60s that produce 60W per side using 4 EL34s per side (PP configuration). These amps also have what appear to be pretty serious power supplies, as both transformers are no joke. I've noticed that most PP amps with this many tubes per channel and this kind of iron produce anywhere from 20-40 more watts. Does anyone know why such a design would not pump out a bit more juice?
bojack
The M60 uses a self-bias circuit, which uses the current through the tube to develop the bias voltage. This type of circuit typically does not produce as much max power as a "fixed bias" one (the kind where the owner or an active circuit periodically adjusts the bias to a specific value), but they are inherently stable, and you can plug and play a variety of tube types, as long as they are matched.

Also, this amp idles at 160 watts per channel, and uses 280 watts at full power, so it's class AB, but conducting pretty well at idle.
Auxetophone, thanks for explaining the auto bias fact. I knew it was auto bias but not how this affected power.
Bojack, just to be clear, the proper term is 'self bias'. Self bias gets the bias for the power tube by dropping a voltage across the cathode resistor of the power tube.

An autobias circuit does not do that. All autobias circuits generally fall into the category of 'fixed bias' which is to say that something other than the current through the power tube is fixing the bias. It might be manual, and it might be autobias, but either way its considered 'fixed bias'.

IOW, the Quicksilver is *not* an autobias amplifier.
Kirkus, "60 watts from a quad of EL34s in Ultralinear is a bit conservative, but not by a huge margin . . . I'd say that a "70-watt" rating of the Marantz 9 is probably the most typical of what's found in a high-quality hi-fi amp with this output stage."

Kirkus, "in guitar amps, a quad of EL34s will easily put out 110 watts or so"

Guitar amplifiers typically feature pentode operation, as opposed to ultralinear. That explains a lot, if not most of that gap. Also, as has been mentioned by Auxetophone, cathode (self) bias versus fixed bias factors into the equation to at least a moderate degree. While there certainly are some famous examples of cathode bias guitar amplifiers such as the Vox AC30, fixed bias (Ampeg, Fender, Marshall, Mesa Boogie, etc.) represents the far more ubiquitous topology.
Also of note is the fact that the EL34 is a true pentode, rather than a "beam" or "kinkless" tetrode like the 6550, KT66, KT88, 6L6, etc.

The EL34 thus has advantages over the 6550/KT88 pertaining specifically to pentode mode . . . including higher plate voltage capability, resulting in significantly higher power output at the cost of somewhat higher plate resistance and higher distortion. They also have higher gain and can usually be kept in Class AB1, which keeps the driver stage simple.

The beam tetrodes tend to start drawing grid current (Class AB2) when used at higher power and bias levels, frequently requiring a follower to keep the drive signal from becoming non-linear. This is by far the biggest flaw in the Dynaco MKIII - trying to run KT88s directly from a split-load phase inverter. The MKIV/ST70 driver stage works much better . . . simply because it's running EL34s instead.