upgrading VPI turntable


i am thinking about upgrading my VPI HW 19 JR turntable which would entail new arm cartridge , feet and power cord. Budget around $1500. question is , is it worth the money to upgrade a discontinued turntable or invest this in a new turntable and which one . possibly a Rega RP-3 ? any advise please
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Although VPI has discontinued production of the HW-19 Series, they still do carry some of the parts needed to do upgrades to the Table.

They sell what they call a MK-IV Plinth, which is sort of similar to the originally made MK-IV Plinth, but is now only a one piece sheet of 1/2" Black Acrylic, with a Steel Sub Chassis Plate. Price I believe is $300 shipped for it, and I'm quite certain that VPI will gladly pre-drill the Plinth Sheet for an Arm of Choice.

If they would possibly not have the specs on hand for any given choice of Tonearm, then all they would simply need is the Arm Mounting Template, and Tonearm Base Specs.

The only possible downside to this one piece Plinth, is if using a very thick Platter, rather than the thinner Junior Platter, one might have to have a Tonearm Mounting Base Spacer made to lift the Arm higher for better.correct adjustability of VTA height of the Arm.

Just about every Platter VPI ever made, past and present will fit the HW-19 Series, with the exception of the now gone Super Platter that was specifically designed for the Flagship HR-X Table.

AudioPoints, and others make direct replacement thread in 10/32 Brass Cone Point Feet, and Coupling Discs, that not only improve sonics to quite an extent, but also vastly improve the look of the Table as well.

The SAMA (Stand Alone Motor Assembly is still available, but improvements-tweaks can be made within the HW-19, to better isolate the original 600rpm Hurst Motor and its Bracketry.

The SAMA is actually the exact same 600rpm Hurst Motor, but it is within its own Metal Case, and thus is seperated from the Table's Base.

The VPI SDS is as well another option, and can be used with every VPI Table ever made, as well as other Belt Drive Tables that use an AC Synchronous Drive Motor.

You have made no mention of what Tonearm is presently on your HW-19? If a Rega RB-300, I believe the Origin Live Silver will be a direct drop in fit. If Audioquest, and at 211mm S-P, the Jelco ST-250ST should be a direct drop in fit, and is a good Arm for the little money spent.

Sure, you could probably place a Graham Arm, TriPlanar, or other very costly Arm on the Table, but some might say it would be akin to placing a silk hat on a pig. None the less, a Tonearm contributes a lot to a Table's final sonics, the better the Arm, often the better the sound without a doubt.

There's many audiophiles here who change Cartridges almost like I change socks, and thus, one can often find a very nice low hour MC, or MM Cartridge with a good savings versus new.

Over the years, I have upgraded my own HW-19 Table, even though some parts were no longer made, almost all the parts came from right here, used from other members.

When the parts surfaced, that was when I bought them, and the Table, which was once a work in progress has been taken just about as far as it can go.

My Table is outstanding in it's performance, teamed with an AQ-9 Arm, MK-IV Platter, custom Clamp, ZYX Airy 3X Cartridge, and Sutherland PhD Phono Stage. With the custom Plinth, Brass feet, custom 1.00" Black Acrylic Plinth, it is also a stunning looking "classic".

I think it would take a lot of $$$$ Table/Arm to drastically outdo this one I have. Mark
Good advise re upgrading the HW19. The biggest shortcoming of the HW19 Jr was the platter. It's lower weight compared to the HW-19 MK1, 2, 3, and certainly the MK 4 platters resulted in lower rotational inertia, hence poor speed stability; and also a lighter, less weighty sonic signature. The MK4 platter is definitely the ticket, but the regular acrylic/lead platters in the MK1-3 versions were also very good and a clear improvement over the Jr.'s. The MK4 platter is also more money and requires a thicker arm board, hence replacement of your Jr's arm board-less plinth.

I assume you have the Audioquest arm that was part of the Jr. "package".
Keep this in mind: the improvement of going from the Jr. platter to the regular Mk 1-3 acrylic/platter is greater than the improvement from that platter to the MK 4. The Audioquest arm (if that is what you have) was a decent arm. If your budget is a strict $1500, IMO the biggest bang for the
buck would be replacing the Jr. platter with a MK 1-3 platter, replacing your cartridge with something that grabs your attention after reading this:
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1200430667&&&/Who-needs-a-MM-cartridge-type-when-we-ha, and buying a used SDS.

Good luck.
Yes i have a REGA 300 tonearm. Can upgrade to the origin live as long as its able to drop in .
audiopoints look like an easy upgrade looks like a good start
I replaced the entire suspension and plinth on my MKIII with a 1/2" X 3" brass "T" supported by 2" Brass columns. I drilled the bearing hole and machined a slot for my SME-V tonearm and the whole thing sits on sorbo pucks. I am using my SAMA to drive it. Total cost was around $250 for the new plinthless base.

Improvements - 3 dimensionality - no resonance and a height to the image. Also I use a Grado and by turning around the SAMA so the AC cord exits to the left and rear - no more hum! Maybe I post pix if I can get it together. Next upgrade $800 on the Classic platter and bearing assy. But one kid in college next year. I have to sell something. Maybe a kidney.
I wish i was that handy to make upgrades like that ,unfortunately beyond replacing a lightbulb i am not too handy. i srewed up a tonearm trying to replace a cartridge by pulling too hard on the pins and disconnecting them from the wire. Any upgrades would have to find someone in NYC area to do work witch all starts to add up. your upgrades sound great though