What is more important source or preamp?


Oh boy here we go again, but I am just shocked how important the preamp is from my latest experience, but isn't the source more important since without a good signal doesn't matter how good the preamp is.
I know both are important, but would like to hear audiogoner stories about big improvements from making new purchases.
I would rather hear experiences than hunches or theories.
pedrillo
Agreed I have been telling myself get the source right first then the rest will be easy to tell if it's good enough. That's why I worked so hard on the tt and phono stage.
In the early days of the first Cd players,that was the most obvious problem.I didn't buy one until I walked into the record store to find it was all Cd's.That was in 2-4 weeks.I was stunned by what I saw!
Pedrillo,
I'm a bit behind you with regards to settling on a phono stage right now.
Sorry no hands on experience yet with a great preamp just alot of coloured over priced pretty boxes over the years.
Though my hunch right now to take serious is something from Jeffery Jackson of Experience Music Inc. or Guy Hammel of Placette Audio, Guy's active line stage.

My own answer: “Both”

Within reason, naturally. But…. This question has truly, no right or wrong answer, as everything matters. The ‘How much’ part depends on way too many variables to be resolved quite so simplistically.

I wanted/have a system which uses multipel sources. So a pretty good pre is in order. Certainly so is each source. Radio, CDP/DAC, PC/DAC, etc.

I have a great preamp. One whose attributes accentuate the musical side of the ledger more than the articulate side… however, it is most revelatory in exposing errant signal info as well so most sources I own, though not commensurate or on par with my preamp, do engender adept signal generation. Consequently, my pre has an additive effect on improving things generally speaking. I’ll put it another way. Regardless the amp I’ve attached it too, and the source for that matter, the sound has stepped up every time.

It follows then that every step up I can attain in a source output, I’m again improved upon with the final outcome.

Being practical about things as I’m prone to do not having the ability to buy top tier devices whimsically or impulsively, I feel there needs to be a fairly good disparity in there somewhere for appreciable signal ‘loss’ or more pertinently, degredation to occur or in fact, be realized.

For example, today’s market is producing preamps that perform very well indeed for less than $4K MSRP. A few online rags have chosen some for under $3K as some of their ‘best of 2009’ items. Very good digital one boxes are had now for under $2K! It’s taking a much higher level of investment now to out run the more modestly priced fare lately.

Knowing now what I know of that which I currently own, I’ve got to say IF a pre is to be used as central unit to a rig, the pre investment will show itself as one where spending more (to a point) is a very good idea…. More so than on the source… again now, within reason. Perhaps it’s akin to the adage “you won’t want to run recaps on a Vette.” .. and I say all this with the notion I believe strongly in building fromt to back rather than the speaker first concept… as I’ve found this approach pays off quicker.

BTW… the MSRP on my preamp is higher than that of any other piece I own in my system… and may well get a further investment via upgrades. So if nothing else is concluded from my exp, it can be said wherever you infuse a larger investment into components transmitting or developing the signal, it will pay off. The key then remains merely the matching of the components to one another. I do doubt seriously too, were the investment contrary to mine, and I had spent 4K on a source and 1K on a preamp, would I have had as good results or better? I’d say “No” and not look back, if my DAC, or receivers preamps are providing me any true insight into this suggestion.

Find the ‘magic’ in your affair where you can. In my own, it’s my preamp predominately, but not exclusively. It’s the sum of the ‘whole’ more so than just one piece.
a great source with a mediocre pre will often sound no better than an average source with the same preamp. you will be scratching your head as to why you spent so much on the source (cd player, tt or other)