Audio snobbery


I cannot emphasize this enough, I was an audio snob for most of my life, and am not sure what combinations of things transformed my perspective but I do not attribute it to my own doing. That’s important because it means that I am in no way superior to others. I didn’t pull myself up by my bootstraps. I am not then sitting in judgment but am offering an opinion for consideration. I’m not going to delve into psychology. This isn’t really about personality because we all have shortcomings there. Everyone thinks that they are right, and they are. Music is personal, musical preferences are therefore all right. So...

Shortcomings of A/B testing, and reviews. IMO listeners fall into three broad categories. You have those who enjoy background music, those who enjoy warm music, and those wanting authenticity. The problem with broad categories is that of spectrum. Some who love warm also want a soundstage while others may find that frustrating, etc, etc.

Therefore if you are dealing with A/B testing, or reviews and ignore these predilections your results are meaningless. If you don’t rate items on a multitude of traits the results are seriously lacking. Without this information if you are a critical listener you really don’t know how a reviewed item will fit in your system.I’m not here to tell you what’s best. I’m here to encourage reviewers to describe what each component does well, where it falls short, the trade-offs it makes, and—just as importantly—their own listening priorities and preferences as clearly as possible, while also helping readers understand why audio equipment so often fails to live up to the hype. Only then can readers determine whether a component truly aligns with their own priorities and expectations.
A more complete review is not one that tells you what to buy. It is one that gives readers enough meaningful information to make that decision for themselves.
No component is perfect. Every design is a series of compromises, and every listener values those compromises differently. A reviewer’s responsibility is not to declare universal winners, but to describe those compromises honestly and explain the perspective from which they are being evaluated. The more transparent reviewers are about their own listening priorities, the more valuable their reviews become—even to readers whose priorities differ from their own.
The goal is not to persuade you to share my preferences. It is to provide enough information that you can determine whether a component is likely to satisfy yours.I’m not here to tell you what’s best. I’m here to encourage reviewers to describe what each component does well, where it falls short, the trade-offs it makes, and—just as importantly—their own listening priorities and preferences as clearly as possible, while also helping readers understand why audio equipment so often fails to live up to the hype. Only then can readers determine whether a component truly aligns with their own priorities and expectations.

A more complete review is not one that tells you what to buy. It is one that gives readers enough meaningful information to make that decision for themselves.

No component is perfect. Every design is a series of compromises, and every listener values those compromises differently. A reviewer’s responsibility is not to declare universal winners, but to describe those compromises honestly and explain the perspective from which they are being evaluated. The more transparent reviewers are about their own listening priorities, the more valuable their reviews become—even to readers whose priorities differ from their own.

The goal is not to persuade you to share my musical preferences. It is to provide enough information that you can determine whether review of a component is likely to truly inform you as to your preferences.

 

lous

yogiboy

I didn't reduce this to "audiophiles" it was audio snobbery in general. Furthermore, people with what many may think is less than stellar gear will call themselves audiophiles touting their gear as proof. If your definition is THE definition obviously then they are mistaken, but I think the term in common usage may not be as narrow as your definition. When questioned Chat said;

 

Originally, an audiophile simply meant someone who loves high-fidelity sound reproduction. It implied a person interested in reproducing recorded music as faithfully as possible.

Today, however, the label tells you almost nothing about what someone actually values. Two self-described audiophiles may have completely opposite priorities:

One prizes absolute neutrality and accuracy.

Another prefers a warm, forgiving presentation.

One values pinpoint imaging and holographic soundstage.

Another cares primarily about tone and timbre.

One will sacrifice bass extension for midrange purity.

Another wants visceral dynamics above all else.

One believes measurements are sufficient.

Another relies almost entirely on careful listening.

Because of that, saying someone is an "audiophile" tells you very little about the sound they enjoy or the equipment they'll recommend.

A more useful approach is to describe preferences rather than adopt the label.

devinplombier

40 year old speakers (some of them, at least) can clobber "current HEA standard", whatever that means, $50,000 and up speakers. It is naive to believe that newer is necessarily better, and that more expensive necessarily sounds better, although that approach can certainly provide certain folks with more money than sense a path to acquire a good-sounding system.

I may question 40 year old speakers because I upgrade current production speaker crossovers, and component quality has increased over 40 years. That said, in some respects, if you had a NOS pair of Quad 57ELSs, 59 year old sprakers, they smoke most speakers in many respects, highest highs no deepest bass no realistic volume no but absolutely awesome speakers. And we absolutely agree on the money issue. I believe that the day is soon coming when virtually everyone with US money, will be able to own super sounding gear for little money, in many cases we're already there. OTOH, the last 10%, so to speak, will still be pricy for a bit longer. 

YMMV

@devinplombier  @stuartk   Appreciate takin time to reply. Blues music genre has a very wide range from a guitar player with vocals to Led Zeppelin. There are always exceptions to any generalized statement. Specific music genres Classical/Jazz/Opera and Vocals are generally recorded at a higher/refined/transparent level than Rock/Pop no snobbery just facts. Claiming 40 year old speakers "Clobber" current HEA loudspeakers is just ludicrous. Yes, you can cherry pick an Infinity Reference series speaker(1986) vs. a current stand mount Klipsch but in general that is a falsehood. Why do HEA naysayers always bring a price point in the conversation($50K)? I never did. A Magnepan 1.7x at $5k opens the HEA door for anyone that wants to enter. Unlike many $5k speakers this can scale up with superior electronics and source components. 

Is it snobbery to appreciate some minimal amount of proof-reading and editing before hitting the green “Post Your Response” button?

newton_john
@lous 

Don’t lose sight of the fundamental truth that all audiophiles are united by one thing, the buzz that comes from hearing music in good sound quality. The supposed differences you present are insignificant in comparison.

While good quality is subjective, the point you are making is the reason I am trying to convince people to stop bickering over the preferences of others. At one time I would have agreed with virtually every argument the warm sound crowd now argue.

I knew for a fact that cables made no difference. I didn't really think it through, I didn't have to. Julian Hirsch, Stereo Review magazine's electrical engineer and co-owner of the testing lab they used told me so. All amps with similar specs sound identical too.

Then I found if my memory isn't failing me, Doug's Stereo in St John's Newfoundland. I has the first itteration of the Sansui AU-D9 "Diamond Differential and Super Feed Forward (Super FF)" integrated amp, a mid tier consumer TT, a Grace F9 cartridge and AR speakers using zip cords and whatever cheep RCA cable that were fixed on the TT. They convinced me to try Monster speaker cables. I objected, but as it was no risk, why not humor them?

The Sansui AU-D9 in 1980 had pretty sad bass, and it wasn't the bass that the Monster cables improved so noticeably, it was the midrange. That was the turning point for me. Hirsch also touted the Carver TX-11 as the only tuner close to the famous McIntosh MR78.  I purchased one as I was in a remote area and my SansuiSansui TU-S9 was having difficulty with reception. It turned out that the TX-11 was a complete waste of money, the TU-S9 smoked it. I even sent the TX-11 to Carver because Hirsch told me it was awesome, it wasn't.

Therefore, I understand those who are convinced that such things are a placebo effect. I no longer agree with them, but that's not a license to attack them.