A fresh approach to cable analysis


Here’s an interesting idea that I wish someone would do. Start a YouTube channel in which you take full range of power cords, interconnects, and speaker wire ranging from cheap to top-of-the-line and carefully dissect them and expose how they are constructed and with what. In the past, we have been through all the arguments about measurements and subjective evaluation, and that gets us nowhere. I think, looking at the physical construction of these chords, which I assume almost no one ever does, especially on the more expensive ones, would produce some surprising results and really be hard to argue with. I’m sure manufacturers would hate this idea, but I don’t think there’s any way legally that they could challenge it. 

bruce19

@asctim 

A consensus among certain users...

The absence of a wide-spread consensus is due to the absence of a proper double-blind listening test.  To my knowledge, such a proper test has never been conducted.

I have asked several times for a link to such a test.  No one has posted any links.

If a proper double-blind listening test would be performed, then the participants would walk away and say that they did not need to be kept in the dark (in a manner of speaking).  They will walk away, wondering why the cloak and dagger for what was so plain to hear.

No blind listening test is needed to compare Radio Shack's Realistic speakers to Magico speakers.  And although cables will not be as obvious as such a speaker swap, the cable swap would still be plainly obvious.

There is a disease, of sorts, with cable deniers.  They are convinced (or pretend to be convinced) that only superman and his dog can hear the difference.  The rest of us need to strain our ears until they bleed, to hear a difference.  That is all nonsense.

No super-human hearing is necessary.  No confirmation from Scooby-Doo is necessary.  Those insisting that a double-blind test is needed are those that never heard what is plain to hear.  And that makes sense, because such stereos are hard to come by.  And high-end audio stores are few and far between.  And they will not allow you to walk in and swap out their cables for a listening test.

@bruce19 

I see you haven’t been around Audiogon more than several months so I’m not going to report you.

Everything that I wrote I supported with quotes.

Your threat will not silence the truth.

You seem to have anger issues...

Quote me.  Or are you angry over not being able to support your position?

...in a hobby that we are supposed to be having fun with.

We agree.  It is fun to be truthful.

...calm down and you can continue the discussion but if you can’t, I suggest you move on because repeating the same argument over and over again does not win you any converts.

You are reading an emotional state that does not exist (unless you are imposing your anger as mine?).  Are you angry?  I am not.  And it was rude of you to make such a claim.  I forgive you, because you assumed a state of mind where you guessed wrong.

You can suggest that I or anyone move on.  But that is seen as you surrendering, because you can't support your position.  So you try to intimidate others into leaving.  You don't get your way, and so you cry foul, and you claim emotional instability, and you try intimidation.  That is not nice.  That is improper etiquette.

Am I reading your tone, incorrectly?

Do not make personal attacks.  Rather, support your position, and do so with good manners.

So Seymour I asked Claude AI to provide the links to the tests you have been asking for. It was easy, you could have done this too if you were really interested. Here are the results:

 

Here's a roundup of the key double-blind tests on audio cables, along with relevant links:


1. Stereo Review (now Sound & Vision) — 1983
This is probably the most famous early test. In 1983, Stereo Review conducted a double-blind listening test using the ABX Double Blind Comparator System — a device using logic circuitry and relays to allow listeners to switch between two unknown sources instantly, eliminating administrator bias. A panel of 11 listeners, including experienced high-end audiophiles from the Westchester Audiophile Society, could not detect any difference in the music when comparing 16 AWG lamp cord to the much thicker Monster Cable. The only wire that audibly changed the sound was extremely thin 24 AWG wire. The conclusion: "This project was unable to validate the sonic benefits claimed for exotic speaker cables over common 16-gauge zip cord." The full article is available here:
🔗 https://www.soundandvision.com/content/speaker-cables-can-you-hear-difference Sound & VisionAVS Forum


2. AES Engineering Paper — 1991
A 1991 engineering paper from the Audio Engineering Society compared 12 cables priced from $2 to $419 per metre, finding that measurable performance depended on construction, not price. In a separate blind listening test, standard 16-gauge lamp cord matched Monster Cable over 50 hours of evaluation.
🔗 https://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=5975 (AES library — may require membership for full text) Headphonesty


3. Harman International / Floyd Toole
You're right to recall Harman. Dr. Floyd Toole joined Harman International in 1991, after 25 years at the National Research Council of Canada, with a mission to bring scientific methods — including rigorous double-blind testing — to product development across Harman brands like JBL, AKG, and Infinity. Toole authored a 1998 paper, "Audio, Science in the Service of Art," covering scientific measurements and audio perception. However, Harman's cable-specific blind tests were largely focused on loudspeakers, not cables. Harman is known to use blind-test techniques but does not publish all their findings.
🔗 https://www.stereophile.com/content/blind-listening-harman-international Sound & Vision + 2


4. Head-Fi Compilation — 50+ Tests (1977–2024)
Someone spent 14 years cataloguing more than 50 blind listening tests, covering eight equipment categories. Independent cable comparisons conducted in France, Spain, Britain, and the United States all reached the same conclusion: when tested blind, cable differences consistently disappear. Roughly 82% of cable tests failed to show an audible difference.
🔗 https://www.head-fi.org/threads/testing-audiophile-claims-and-myths.486598/ Headphonesty


5. Secrets of Home Theater — AC Power Cord Test, 2004
In November 2004, Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity teamed up with the Bay Area Audiophile Society to conduct a blind AC power cord test, attempting to determine if listeners could statistically distinguish generic cords from Nordost Valhalla power cords.
🔗 https://hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_4/feature-article-blind-test-power-cords-12-2004.html HomeTheaterHifi


6. The "Banana" Test — diyAudio Forum, 2024
A more recent and entertaining test: a forum moderator named Pano routed audio through four mediums — standard copper wire, wet mud, a 13cm unripe banana, and a CD baseline — and challenged forum members to identify the source. Out of 43 guesses, listeners only identified the correct audio source six times, consistent with random chance.
🔗 https://futurism.com/robots-and-machines/blind-test-audiophiles-cable-banana ZME Science


The overall picture from decades of testing is remarkably consistent: blind tests almost universally fail to show audible differences between cables of adequate gauge, regardless of price.

 

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Now can we get back to the idea I actually started this thread about and stop rehashing all the old objective vs subjective arguments that fill so many threads here and elsewhere?

Dave — known as raueda1 on another forum — just posted his thoughts in a way I wish I could have phrased myself. Enjoy.

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I think there’s a different angle here that hasn't been explored much and may be more useful than simply asking whether enough blind tests exist to resolve anything.

 

I’m happy to concede that the public record of rigorous cable blind tests is thinner than many people assume. There are some tests, some interesting attempts, and some suggestive failures, but apparently not some vast body of research that settles the question with sufficient rigor. So sure, one should be careful about overstating the literature. However, that raises what I think is the more interesting question: why is that the case?

 

If expensive cables produce identifiable, reliable, repeatable audible improvements, why hasn’t the cable industry funded and publicized proper independent testing? That would seem to be enormously valuable. A clean, well-run, preregistered blind test showing that trained listeners could reliably distinguish a high-end cable from a competent ordinary cable would be marketing gold. It would be cited endlessly. It would appear in ads, white papers, dealer literature, show demos, interviews, and manufacturer websites.

 

Yet that does not seem to have happened in any meaningful way, despite decades of claims, substantial money, passionate users, and manufacturers who would benefit directly from a positive result. That absence strikes me as meaningful. And it is not just the manufacturers. There is an entire cable-marketing ecosystem - cable companies, distributors, dealers, reviewers, magazines, forums, audio shows, YouTube channels, influencers, affiliate links, advertising relationships, and websites (including AS) built around the idea that these questions remain endlessly open but experientially discoverable.

 

That ecosystem benefits from cable belief. Cables are easy to ship, easy to demonstrate, easy to describe in poetic language, easy to swap, easy to photograph. I also assume that audiophile cables are highly profitable. Cables also create constant content: reviews, comparisons, shootouts, system-matching advice, “loom” discussions, break-in reports, dielectric explanations, geometry narratives, and upgrade paths. IOW, cable audibility is not merely a technical claim. It is also a commercial content engine.

 

I think that makes the absence of decisive testing even more interesting. If the claims are as strong as commonly presented, this entire ecosystem would seem to benefit enormously from a clean positive result. It would validate the products, validate the reviewers, validate the dealers, validate the publications, and reassure customers that their purchases are grounded in something more than subjective impressions.

 

A failed test, however, would be very damaging. It would not just threaten one product. It would threaten a recurring revenue stream and a lot of audiophile mythology. I've come to believe that the incentive structure actually runs the other way: keep the claims subjective, keep the comparisons sighted, keep the language experiential, and avoid tests that could collapse the ambiguity. None of that requires some kind of conspiracy, all it needs are very ordinary incentives. If sighted reviewing and subjective testimony already sells cables, why take the risk of a controlled test?

 

By contrast, I don’t find the absence of extensive academic research mysterious at all. Cable behavior is not exactly an unexplored frontier in electrical engineering. Resistance, capacitance, inductance, shielding, impedance, dielectric behavior, skin effect, connector resistance, source/load interaction, and transmission-line effects are mature subjects. And here is a great deal of real cable engineering in RF, telecom, instrumentation, aerospace, power transmission, medical systems, and data communications. But “do two competent, appropriately specified audio cables sound different in a domestic hi-fi system?” seems not to be a high-priority research question. Why would it be? The expected effect size is small, the commercial claims are often vague, the mechanisms are often underspecified, and the result would not add much to core electrical engineering knowledge.

 

So, I would distinguish two kinds of silence. The silence from academic science may simply mean: this is not a promising or important unresolved research problem. The silence from the cable-marketing ecosystem is different. That ecosystem is making, amplifying, reviewing, advertising, and monetizing the audibility claims. If the claims are robust, it has every incentive to demonstrate them.

 

None of this proves that no cable difference can ever be audible. I don’t think anyone needs to make that absolute claim. Obviously pathological cases exist - very long runs, unusual source or load impedances, bad shielding, poor terminations, high capacitance, oxidized connectors, inappropriate gauge etc. But that's a very different claim from the broad high-end cable narrative, where competent cables are said to produce large sonic differences in warmth, detail, space, timing, soundstage, liquidity, blacker backgrounds, and imaging.

 

And at the end of the day, if someone simply claims “I enjoy these cables,” that’s great. No laboratory, no data required. But that's very different for saying “these cables produce audible sonic improvements because of their design,” in which case the burden of evidence still sits with the claimant - and even more so with the industry and media ecosystem selling and promoting the claim. 

 

May the force be with us.  🪄

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