audiophile folklore - cables and claims from manufacturers


The cable debate.

Cables make a difference, sure. 

But SHOULD they?

I have been grappling with this question for the better part of 20 years! 

Fanatical claims from manufacturers, talking about how their cables will improve your system in specific ways, sonically. 

More accurate bass, cleaner midrange sounds, treble resolution... etc. soundstage and imaging, you get the idea.

The fundamental disconnect is - they have never heard YOUR system! 

So then, how do they know what their cables will sound like in your system. Not to mention, astronomical prices on some of these interconnects. The wilder the claims, the higher the cost.

The behavior we should be looking for is passing on the signal, with as little losses as possible. That can be done relatively cheaply, with well made professional interconnects that cost less than 100 dollars in most cases.

If you could build an audio system (all of it) from thrift store finds and cables really did make that much of a difference, then wouldn’t the sound quality scale that way?

It seems many audiophiles I know are in denial. And even worse, some use cables as TONE controls! This is where audiophoolery becomes a religion. Audio dealers promote it, because it impacts their bottom line! 

frank009

@audphile1 

MIT Speaker Cable - Imgur

Look what we have here...

I visited a dealer long ago who said these specific cables would improve the quality of my system.

Funny enough, I told him I had an old Pioneer receiver and vintage bookshelf speakers, just to see what I could get out of him.

Told me I'd be at the level of million dollar systems with this cable upgrade because it makes the electricity "electrically perfect." 

Maybe the glue is candy. Open it up for yourself and gobble gobble.

@seymour-krelborn 

You’ve called me a liar. 

I’ll pick apart some of your post. If I pick it all apart, you might have a nervous breakdown. 

Okay. 

You lied about the professional companies use of their cables, and you lied about dealers promoting cables to be used as tone controls.

I didn’t lie about any of this. Go to a real studio and ask what cables they use. Many studios I’ve visited in person over the years trust that specific brand of cables I keep mentioning (and for good reason) Called - World’s Best Cables. They also have great warranties. 

Dealers of audio equipment who also sell cables are incentivized to also sell cables. Goodness gosh... It’s so obvious. Like a fly on the wall yet you can’t even understand something so simple - It’s BUSINESS first, audiophiles LAST for most dealers.

MIT Speaker Cable - Imgur

Explain how this is high end. The demo actually sounded worse than the cables I brought with me to the shop.

  You wrote it, so I will quote it.  If you do not want to be quoted, then don’t write it.

Twice I quoted claims that you made, and twice you refused to answer.

How do you think they (dealers) provide for their families?

Case in point.  Your above comment is more dancing, weaving, and dodging.  You are trying to change the subject from what you wrote, to me wasting time quoting you.  You wrote it, so I will quote it.  If you do not want to be quoted, then don’t write it.

Twice I quoted claims that you made, and twice you refused to answer.

I’m happy as hell. Just today I listened to "Dancing on the Ceiling" so maybe you could say I’ve got that energetic vibe like a top class unorthodox boxer. In my 20’s I did boxing too. 

I didn’t refuse to answer. I just refused to tolerate nonsense spoken through a tainted lens that you are the owner of. Your conclusions are incomplete, irrational, and comedy in the grandest sense.

Can anyone who hears differences in cables explain why "audiophile" cables improve the sound of an audio system?

Technical explanations please. Manufacturers do something physical to a cable in order to claim that there i an improvement. What is that physical thing(s) and how does it(them) improve sound?

I'm not looking for references to manufacturers websites. I would like an explanation that is as free from bias as possible and remains technical.

@kevemaher 

I’ll allow someone who is more senior (*higher number of posts on audiogon*)  to answer that question.

Here’s my 2 cents so they can tell me I’m wrong.

Long story short, properly designed and terminated cables should not make a difference - They should not improve the sound quality of a system beyond what the electronics and the speakers or headphones themselves are capable of reproducing as audio output. The sum of what you’re listening to is the electronics and the driver movement of the speakers/woofers. The cables can only do wrong, they can’t improve what is.

Interconnects are like a bridge ---- really awful RCAs or balanced cables are like a semi-broken bridge. I wrote about why this happens with resolving systems, but I think the moderator deleted my post.

Power cords just need to be sufficient for the electrical load, and have enough shielding so stray noise from Wi-Fi/wireless signals does not infiltrate them, hence why I recommend using ferrite cores on either end of power cords, so 2 ferrite cores per power cord. It cleans up high frequency noise that often causes noise contamination in audio systems -  in modern households - like smart-home functions for lighting, small speakers in the ceiling etc.

Yada Yada,.

@frank009 

Thanks for the explanation. I was reaching for someone who definitely hears/thinks/believes cables can improve the sound of a system.

You and I think similarly on this matter.

I understand the physics explanation on how cables work.

My post-graduate degree in Physics and 40+ years designing and developing sophisticated opto/electronic equipment (telecon, molecular biology research instruments, supermarket scanners, digital data optical readers (on film and CD, audio and video), military, and laser development)). makes me quite able to understand how audio systems and components actually work.

It's not magic.