USB connection to DAC: multi stage improvement


In my setup (Innuos Zenith Mk3, Antelope Zodiac Platinum with Sean Jacobs DC3/4 and Antelope Audiophile clock) sequential addition of decrapifiers has lead to increasing transparency, dynamics and soundstage depth.

My chain now reads like this

ZenithMk3->Singxer UIP->JHoinrich Isolator RH07b->IFi USB iPurifier3->LHY UIP2.0 Pro->Intona7054b->Zodiac Platinum

 

The Singxer is powered by Sean Jacobs DC3/4, The Lhy is reclocked by the Antelope clock

 

Of particular note: this is the best result of trying every conceivable permutation.

 

In terms of overall impact:

1. reclocking the LHY using the same clock on DAC and upstream Etherregen

2. introducing galvanic insulation after each powered device.

3. using isolator equipment with different chips at each stage.

 

i have learned the hard way that fighting ground level noise, RFI/EMI and other network noise is a gradual rather than binary solution at each step and that in digital audio ‘less is more’ doesn‘t apply as it does in the analogue section. Equally the whole bits are bits debate seems churlish against this background

antigrunge2

Plenty of great comments in this thread, shows how good this forum can be. yes

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I will confess, all this digital stuff makes my head spin. I have no interest in even attempting to understand how/why because it would take decades, and then I'll not even know 5% of what some of the experts already do. I will trust some of them instead. (the two mentioned below are on my list) wink

@mitch2 

Interestingly, Aries Cerat has just released a $12K interface (Hronos-Project X) (link) that accepts a USB signal and feeds their DACs a customized discrete signal on a board that replaces the USB input board.  They imply it makes the source/streamer quality mostly irrevalant and that it achieves a level of sonic improvement that is comparible to upgrading to the next higher DAC in their line-up.

Not sure if there is any optical isolation in Stavros' solution, but sounds alot like what Andreas Koch has done with his MPS-X or USB-X4 isolators. 

USB-X4 Purpose:

this simple USB to PLINK interface is designed to isolate any USB source from the sensitive DAC via our high quality, synchronous fiber optic PLINK connection. It borrows this concept from it's bigger brother, the MPS-X, which is not just limited to the USB interface like the USB-X4, but also includes a variety of other interfaces and features as well (see MPS-X product page for more details). Any digital source with a USB host interface can connect to the USB-X4 which then is connected to any of our DACs(*1) through PLINK. All asynchronous clocks that are mandated by the USB interface standard and any other digital noise from the source are therefore kept from entering the DAC where they would always cause some audible deterioration. Asynchronous data streams from the USB source are carefully filtered with our PDFAS algorithm and synchronized to an internal high quality audio clock. This results in a dramatic sonic improvement when compared to a direct USB connection to the DAC. The sound stage becomes even more defined, the performance even more liquid and overall more "analog-like". A valuable addition to any of our products

@mclinnguy if you haven’t already, try asking AI about the whys and wherefore of digital audio.  Depending on your questions I think you’ll be amazed at the answers.  I know I was.

@marco1 

Are we sure what pops up is accurate? Check out this link from a few weeks ago, it is comical how wrong AI can be, and yet how "confident" it suggests its answer is: 

https://antipodes.support/t/antiopdes-k41-and-k22-mola-mola-tambaqui-volume/4449

 

@mclinnguy yep you have to be careful. As their disclaimer always reminds you, AI can make mistakes too.  I have found more often that not though that they are usually right on with their advice. I particularly like when they give you the mechanical and electrical engineering explanations of what you to can expect to hear and why you hear it.

@marco1 - That has been my experience also with AI, that it not only states its position on the topic but that it usually also provides a level of back-up supporting the answer provided.  At times when it is wrong, I have found it worthwhile to simply call it out, "hey, your comment about  XYZ is not correct because...", and then AI usually responds back in support of my correction and even gives a reason why they found their previous answer to be in error.  I suspect that information goes into their database to help in answering future questions.