Vacuum Record Cleaner Rreplacement


I get most of my records from from garage sales and such, and they are typically pretty dirty.  My record cleaning protocol is to run them through the vacuum record cleaner then the ultrasonic cleaner.  If they have fingerprints or mold I’ll put them through the Neil Antin’s method.  I’ve done it this way for years with good results.

Unfortunately, my venerable Music Hall WCS-2 needs a new cleaning wand and I’ve been told from numerous sources that the parts are no longer available.  I started the hunt for a new vacuum cleaner and found a suitable replacement.  Before I pull the trigger, I wanted to determine if I really need a vacuum cleaner if I’m using the ultrasonic.  I’ve used both cleaners in succession more from habit than any practical reason, though I’ve convinced myself that the vacuum cleaner gets the big chunks off first and the ultrasonic does the fine, deep cleaning.  I don’t know if this is true or not.  

I’d like to know the thoughts of the group.  I’m more than happy to buy another vacuum cleaner, but could always put that money toward something else if it is not needed.  

Thanks in advance for your help.

jrcotner

I use both a VPI and a Humminguru. Humminguru 1st so all my drying is done on the VPI. Since the Humminguru uses so little fluid I rerouted the discharge to a tube and dump it into the VPI's waste jug and use a new US fluid batch every time. I found a marked measuring cup a better fill vessel than the Humminguru's container.

@thom_at_galibier_design 

Thom said "This has always been a concern of mine and I never bothered to perform experiments as you have done.  I’m not sure what criteria I’d use to assess the damage.  Is visual (microscope) inspection sufficient?  Can you determine whether you’ve inflicted minor damage (not visible) but which will produce damage over multiple cleanings?"

For these experiments two techniques, Optical Microscopy and Photoelectron Spectroscopy, were the primary techniques used to analyze samples for every cleaning condition before and after cleaning. Optical microscopy was primarily useful for gross contamination analysis such as large particles. No evidence of surface damage was ever observed with optical microscopy. Optical microscopy does not have the resolution to detect surface damage at the sub-micron level. Any evidence of such damage would require a more extensive use of Scanning Electron Microscopy (SEM). The SEM was not in my laboratory and does require extra sample preparation time so was only used on select samples. 

Photoelectron spectroscopy provided a quantitative analysis of the contaminants on the record surface. A number of additional supporting techniques were also used to identify specific contaminants on the record test samples.

Thom said "This raises a follow-up experiment:  multiple cleanings which are below the threshold of visible damage.  Would multiple 3-minute (static in your example, above) cleanings produce damage?  Can you trust your inspection with 100% confidence?"

From experiments on other polymeric materials, multiple short duration exposure to ultrasonic is less destructive compared to one long exposure. There are localized thermal effects that increase over time that can induce chain-scission and damage to a polymeric material. So short exposures would minimize such effects, This is one reason that a rotating record would lessen these thermal effects because part of the record is out of the bath at any given time. 

Yes, I trust our analysis 100%

 

 

@richardbrand 

I do query your rule-of-thumb factor of three.  I set my ultrasonic bath level so the bath is a bit below the level of the label.  Records are vertical in the bath, so the inner part of the grooves get less than a third of a turn in the bath, depending on where the actual recording stops.

You are correct. The factor of three is just an approximation.

Do you have any observations showing the influence of cleaning temperature?

Higher temperatures do improve the ultrasonic cleaning efficiency for some contaminates. However because vinyl records can begin to warp at ~45 degrees C, it is recommended to keep the bath temperature below 40 degrees C. I typically operated my ultrasonic bath at ~35 degrees C. 

 

 

 

Instead of relying upon microscopic or submicroscopic examination to determine whether or what amount of US can damage the information in the grooves, I would look at the frequency response before and after.  To do that, one would require a test LP with a series of frequencies encoded in separate bands, say 100Hz, 500Hz, 1000Hz, 5kHz, and 10kHz. Take two copies of such a test LP and test them for response at the indicated frequencies, using an oscilloscope or other sensitive instrument.  You could normalize to 1000Hz; in other words, set the 1000Hz response to 0db.  Do this for both LPs in advance, so you know about any inherent differences in amplitude of the responses between the two LPs in advance of any treatment. Then take one LP and clean it with US.  Then test both LPs for frequency response again, using the untreated LP as a control.  This could get very complex, as one would want to test several different US conditions, including an extreme case that you know in advance is likely to do damage.  If such a test LP exists, that would be an interesting study. (In practice, one would probably think of more internal controls, but I think I have the main ones here.)

@richardbrand @ljgerens Re temperature and warping, yes, they star warping above 40C. However, after a few minutes the warping equalizes and the records are back in their original state. Done that countless times at 45–50C. Initially it looks scary, but soon after all is back in OG shape. No re-warping when taking them out of bath, vac, and air dry. So it seems to be caused by partial contact of record with warm water that induces the warping. Once entire record is at same temperature, no warping. Sort of makes sense.