Turntable advice / opinion on setup / sound.


Hello all you analog experts. I am seeking some advice, opinions and direction to try, based on my tastes and setup. 

I’m not loving my current TT sound but there are variables that could cause this. For reference, my favorite TT I ever owned was the ClearAudio Champion Level 2 (wish I never sold it) because it was warm and had a huge stage. 

  1. I listen to every style of music, smooth jazz to hard metal. 
  2. I have to turn the volume way up to get the get the level I like which at times has hiss and a tiny bit of hum. Compared to digital sources which have none of these issues. 
  3. I find this setup to lack huge stage and warmth. 

My current system is:

  1. Rega Planar 8 w/ Alpheta 2 MC cart.  
  2. Cambridge Audio -> Alva Duo Phono Pre amp
  3. Mark Levinson -> No 585 Amp. 
  4. Martin Logan 15a Renaissance -> 8FT apart/ 3ft off the front wall and 3 FT from each side wall. I sit 9FT away from the speakers.  

The turntables I am considering are:

1) Musical Fidelity -> M8XTT

What cart would you use?

2) Michell Audio -> Gyro SE Turntable

3) Clear Audio Champion Level 2

Thank you all in advance for any guidance and opinions you can offer. 

necrosuit

@billstevenson 

IF I was going to champion a ’rigid’ design, no arm height adjustability, I would do a survey of various cartridge heights, then:

1. pick an average. sell all the 3 point cartridges you can peddle.

use Rega designed/approved shims under the arm mount, or above the cartridge for taller or shorter cartridges. Split shims for the base so the arm does not need to be completely removed. 

It’s purposely making it shorter than ALL other cartridges that I object to.

’ALL Other’ until Ortofon answered the need to make 14mm high versions. Thankfully for the OP, because that is what he chose.

And, the lack of measurements to properly mount non-rega cartridges bugs me.

Many things bug me, thankfully more things make me happy, two among them is the easy on the fly height adjustment of two of my tonearms.

@larryi 

On some records with very deep bass, the bass is mixed closer to mono to reduce vertical modulation; this means wider horizontal movement

I did not know that!

Obviously at lower frequencies both channels tend to converge in modulation.  I am not sure why horizontal stylus vibration should be seen as preferable to vertical, either, except that is how mono records were cut.  May be better for Decca cartridges, which are asymmetric!

In deference to @billstevenson I won't mention the name of my main deck, but when combined with a DS Audio optical cartridge, also renowned for deep bass, and a Velodyne 18" servo-controlled subwoofer the results are easily the best and tightest I have heard from any reproducing chain, anywhere.

I think it is very difficult to produce a good linear tracking system, so I am not surprised some have a tendency to over-stress cantilevers, etc.  The very first cartridge I installed in my linear tracker should have been quite unsuitable, but it was at hand while I waited for something more suitable.  It was a high-compliance Shure V15 tracking at about a gram!  It had no problems shifting the horizontal arm mass of under 50 grams including cartridge (which is of course very low for linear tracking designs).

Larry, You wrote, "Such arms tend to have very high horizontal effective mass and much lower vertical effective mass.  Some claim this is a problem while others say this is a virtue.  On some records with very deep bass, the bass is mixed closer to mono to reduce vertical modulation; this means wider horizontal movement.  Higher effective mass and the lack of movement as a pivot means that the arm resists horizontal movement from groove modulation meaning that the full bass signal will be picked up by the cartridge and not lost by the cartridge moving side to side.  I don’t know if this is the case, but the airbearing arms I had delivered very powerful bass."

I am one who thinks that high horizontal effective mass is probably a virtue for the reason you state in relation to low frequency (and maybe also mono) reproduction. There may be a benefit to anchoring the pivot point when the stylus has to do a lot of work in the horizontal plane. The high effective mass prevents the tail from wagging the dog. There are probably ways to prove or disprove this hypothesis. I have argued this point here from time to time.