Should Room Acoustics be an Audiogon ‘topic’?


The available topics on Audiogon do not include Room Acoustics. This area is as important as any other, and has a far greater impact on what we hear than amps, preamps, and cables put together, IMO. Does anyone know how to lobby to include it? Do I need to start a petition? ; )

tcutter

I've grown kind of fond of seeing $100k+ worth of gear stacked up in front of ceiling to floor glass windows in a bare room. laugh

@billstevenson — Your first post argued acoustics is too technical for this forum. But "too technical" only holds if a subject admits of no gradations — if one is either a full expert or has nothing useful to contribute. Does acoustics really work that way? This is clearly false. "Nutrition" is a genuinely complex science, yet people become meaningfully healthier by learning something about fat, sugar, and salt. No biochemistry degree required. Would you suggest they don’t discuss it? The same is true here: understanding first reflection points, bass trapping, and RT60 doesn’t require an acoustics degree. And it’s worth noting that cables, amplifier topology, and cartridge loading are no less technical — yet they have their own parent categories without apparent concern.

Your follow-up clarifies that you’re not claiming expertise — rather, you’ve either had repeated bad experiences with supposed experts who got things wrong or have been adjacent in various ways to areas where acoustics expertise would be important. So it seems that the problem you’re describing isn’t that acoustics is too technical for discussion — it’s that overconfident practitioners cause harm. But that’s a reason to have more better focused and accountable discussion, not fewer.

A dedicated forum topic is precisely where inflated claims get challenged and it draws those with good information (and maybe expertise) more easily to a subject that is currently discussed randomly in other places. A focused topic helps with this.

On harm: the misinformation you worry about cuts both ways. Audiophiles spending heavily on gear while an untreated 15dB mode at 50Hz undermines everything they’re hearing are not in a neutral position — they are actively and expensively underserved. A forum topic focused on acoustics is one of the better mechanisms for preventing exactly the kind of harm you’re concerned about.

Overall, on this topic, I see no good reasons against having an Audiogon forum topic on, say, "Room Acoustics and Treatments." It would

  • help forum participants in every other category,
  • focus discussions,
  • attract those with more expertise to help educate other participants , and
  • help generate more activity in sales on the site.

It would be easier to argue against a free lunch than argue any more about this topic.

@tcutter Not sure what you're proposing?  Do you mean putting "Room" under the header that says "Topics" ?  If i put "room" into the "Search Discussions" box there are plenty of threads discussing room acoustics.  Certainly the room is probably the most important factor in how your system sounds but it's not as if any (or most) of us can do any more than focus on speaker placement, re-arrange the furniture or add room treatment--all of which are, and have been, discussed at length and can be searched.  Few of us get to design our own listening room and dimensions/materials will often be component specific.  If you want to talk room acoustics just start a thread and we will--and we'll be able to find it when we search for it years from now--I guess i just don't understand the complaint?  

@wyoboy Thank you.  Your comments have done an excellent job of framing the issue.  Clearly many are conflating room treatments with acoustics in the broader sense that concerns me.  The subject of how to deal with our rooms is a subject that is appropriate in this forum and there should be no reason for debate.