Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?


Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?

I'm currently trialing the NAD M23 (1st gen. Eigentakt-based), and I find it intriguing enough to want to understand it better — which means understanding the broader sonic landscape of class D. So I'm crowd-sourcing.

In a recent exchange, the estimable Ralph Karsten (Atma-Sphere Music Systems) made two comments that stopped me cold. For those who missed it, here's what he said:

"IME, class D amps vary in sound more than tube amps, which is to say, quite a lot."

"IMO there is a bigger difference between various class D amps than you hear between various tube amps. IOW just because you heard one class D amp says nothing about how the next one might sound."

Link: https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/2885828

As I think through this more carefully, these are genuinely important claims. My own experience with tube amps confirms that they produce audibly distinct characters across topologies and designs. If Ralph is right and class D exceeds that range, then generalizing from one class D experience to another is even more hazardous than I assumed.

One specific question for Audiogon members:

If you have a Class D amp or have compared class D amplifiers, how would you describe their character(s)?

Here are some criteria I use:

  1. Frequency balance — Is the tonal response even across bass, mids, and treble, or does it favor certain regions?
  2. High-frequency texture — Are the highs extended and smooth, or edgy, grainy, and fatiguing?
  3. Bass definition — Is the low end tight and articulate, or loose and bloated?
  4. Midrange character — Does the midrange feel present and natural, or recessed and thin?
  5. Transient speed — Does the amp respond quickly to dynamic attacks, or does it sound sluggish and rounded?
  6. Dynamic range — Does it scale convincingly from quiet passages to loud ones, or compress the difference?
  7. Soundstage width and depth — Does it create a convincing three-dimensional image, or sound flat and narrow?
  8. Image specificity — Are instruments and voices placed precisely, or do they blur and wander?
  9. Background noise floor — Is the silence between notes actually silent, or is there grain, haze, or hash?
  10. Long-term listenability — After an extended session, do you want to keep listening, or has something been quietly fatiguing you?

If you can include relevant system context — room, speakers, preamp — please do. Those variables will help me interpret what the amp itself is contributing.

I'm less interested in rankings than in understanding what Ralph mentioned, namely the [vast] range of sonic signatures class D is capable of. Eigentakt, Hypex, Pascal, Purifi, GaN-based, etc. — all fair game.

Price is no constraint here — I'm interested in the full range of what's out there.

hilde45

"@audiobeatnik ...not tube-like but not the earlier Class D “thinness” that I have heard. It has more meat on the bone than my previous Class D experiences. Now we are getting somewhere!" 

PS Audio M1200 Mono amps (tube/ClassD):

A clip from an older article with comments regarding a front-end tube design as part of their Class D mono amps. These have been around for a while now too. How do they compare with others discussed here so far, who can chime in to add more?

https://theaudiobeatnik.com/review-ps-audio-m1200-monoblock-amplifier/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

@hilde45  I’ve been on a bit of a journey lately. A couple of years ago I bought a pair of Magnapan LRS+ and fell in love with their presentation. At the time I was using an AGD Tempo amp, and at anything above a pretty low level it strained to keep up. But I am aging with a bad back, so no class A behemoth for me. So I bought a Bryston 3B3 (AB), which had plenty of power but was a bit clinical. Then I bought a pair of Rogue Dragon Monoblocks. Closer! But fine tuning was crucial.

First, context: Aurender N200 > Denafrips T+ 15th > Backert Rhythm > Dragons > LRS+ (full range), KEF KC92 sub. 

First I replaced the Zavfino speaker cables with Silversmith Fidelium. Oooh! Then I replaced the PSVane Horizon 12AU7’s in my preamp with a pair of Ray’s Select 12AU7. Better yet! Then I replaced the JJ 12AU7’s in the Dragons with NOS Mazda 12AU7. Holly SH*T!!! 

Full bodied, gorgeous textures, air, incredible image depth and spacial separation. And not a hint of that upper midrange bump that I find so annoying. I’m a happy camper! Except maybe I need to get a pair of the X series Magnapans? (eye roll here).

The only other system that even came close in recent years was a Rogue RP-7 pre > Pass XA-25 > Spacial Audio X-5’s. But while engaging, it was a different kind of presentation and lacked the transparency of my current system. 

Your situation is obviously different with very efficient speakers. 

@markmuse  Interesting journey — the AGD Tempo struggling with the LRS+ makes sense given how power-hungry Magnepans are. Curious though: did you consider moving up to the AGD Audion mono blocks or higher rather than switching to the Rogue? The AGD Audion III mono blocks were pretty impressive.

How would you characterize the Rogue Dragons versus the AGD on a basic sonic level? I'm curious what the Dragons do differently, better, worse, etc. Since the system context changed, that might be hard to isolate, so "no opinion" might be the best answer you can give!

@hilde45 I did have a pair of Audion V1 prior to the Tempo. According to Alberto they are exactly the same except the Tempo channels share a common power supply. The Audions would have little more to offer. I did consider the AGD Duet monos, but they are twice the price of the Dragons and the Dragons were engineered specifically for this kind of a load. 

The Dragons are more robust sonically, if that makes sense. More physical. At first they seemed a little rolled off in the high frequencies, but the change of speaker cables took care of that. But the AGD amps have a little more emphasis on the upper mid and high frequencies, which they handle very well indeed. That is not to say the Dragons are not smooth or lacking in higher frequencies,.It is just a different presentation that I find a little hard to describe. 

As efficient as your speakers are either the Tempo or a pair of Audions would work very well. The only difference between the two would be slightly better channel separation with the Audion. Add a tube preamp and you will be in great shape. 

@markmuse ...It is just a different presentation...

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And there it is, this comment surfacing again. People don’t talk in-depth about this part. Some might be more use to the presentation of their existing SS or Tube amps, while others have grown to like or simply accommodate the "different presentation" factor that surfaces periodically.  The new Blue LED light bulb is too bright or overwhelming perhaps,...give me a vintage yellow glow LED light bulb, instead - perhaps?