Do streamers make a difference?


Just added the Nagra Streamer and I can wholeheartedly say yes, it does. Without buttons, remote control or a screen, it is elegant in its simplicity. On the other hand, its music selection is anything but simple as it accommodates Qobuz Connect, Tidal Connect, and Spotify Connect. It is Roon ready/Roon Tested, JPLAY Certified, and plays with Audirvāna, Airplay 2, UPnP/dlna for local files and vTuner for radio access.

It is a wonderful device and I hear more music and I hear the music more clearly. But in the interest of full disclosure, is it the streamer or the result of removing a USB connection?

My previous system used a Roon Nucleus Plus as server and streamer and was fed via an AudioQuest Vodka RJ/E ethernet cable from an Xfinity XB7-modem/router. The Nucleus was then connected via an AudioQuest Dragon USB cable to a Playback Designs USB-X4 interface, which connected to a Playback Designs MPD-8 DAC using their proprietary high-bandwidth fiberoptic cable. In addition to the fiberoptic connection providing galvanic isolation, the USB-X4 also reduces jitter with a clock that is identical to the clock in the MPD-8.

The new system has the Nucleus and the Nagra Streamer each connected via Vodka ethernet cables to the Xfinity XB7-T.  Nagra and Playback Designs share design technology and the Nagra Streamer connects to the MPD-8 with the same proprietary fiberoptic connection as the USB-X4 and also incorporates the identical clock, yielding the same sonic benefits in terms of noise and jitter reduction.

There is definite improvement in terms of detail and space. There is simply more to the music. I venture that the streamer contributes the lion’s share but acknowledge that I have removed a USB connection from the flow, which may also contribute to the difference. 

While I believe it is a great addition to my system, the Nagra is not for everybody since its connectivity is limited to only two outputs, the second being an S/PDIF. The USB port is an input for hard and flash drives. 

The matching Nagra Compact PSU almost doubles the purchase price so I have ordered a Teddy Pardo LPS to replace the included SMPS. 

I do not use a network switch since I have only the two ethernet connections and see no reason to isolate one from the other. I also believe clocking is not an issue, but I am interested in what others think on both fronts.

Of note, EMM employ a similar proprietary fiberoptic cable set-up but utilize a different format that is not compatible with Nagra and Playback Designs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

tcutter

Let's go to the source, instead of relaying the information like we have all figured it out for ourselves:

Most all network systems used with audio use switching supplies (SMPS) to power the digital devices, routers, switches, computers, etc. The high-source-impedance leakage current from the SMPS will travel through the network equipment, the Ethernet cables, the end-points, and into the DAC where they will create noise on the ground-plane, and thus jitter in the DAC circuitry.

 

https://uptoneaudio.com/pages/j-swenson-tech-corner

 

 

@mclinnguy 

So if we take care of the other factors such as jitter and galvanic isolation, once we address the noise from an SMPS, there is nothing more to be done? 

Do  iFi devices such as the Power Elite contribute to the "high-source impedance leakage current" or have they adequately addressed it, if you know?

 

So if we take care of the other factors such as jitter and galvanic isolation, once we address the noise from an SMPS, there is nothing more to be done?

I am not the one to ask. The more I try to learn about how all this works, the more I realize how much I don't know, so I don't even bother anymore. I will refer to those who do know what they are talking about: John Swenson is one of the world's experts in the matter of streaming sound quality, as far as what I can deduce. Of course I read the testimonials of those who have tried different products and have experience to share, and then it is of trying it in one's own system to see if the benefits are replicated. 

@tcutter There were some leakage issues previously noted with the lesser 2-prong iFi power supplies, but the improved, grounded iPower Elite claims to specifically address these concerns in its product writeup. It also claims a very good <1μV noise floor, and should deliver substantially better performance than wall wart SMPS included with various networking and  audio devices.

If this makes an appreciable improvement in your particular system, we have no way to know, but noisy power supplies are a priority concern with sensitive digital audio components, and therefore it is reasonable to address them depending upon one’s expectations and budget.