Lost stylus seeking similar experience


I just got off the phone with Steve of VAS.  The stylus went missing off the cantilever on my AT ART20.  The cantilever is intact.  This is a new one on me.  Steve thinks it is because I use Stylast, but I have been using Stylast for decades and never had any trouble using it.  Has anyone else had a stylus go missing with no damage to their cantilever?  If so, were you able to determine a probable cause for the separation?  Facts would be helpful, speculation not so much.

billstevenson

For Stylast to work you are instructed to use their record treatment also. It is supposed to change the surface of a record in a manner, I forget exactly how since it has been awhile since I looked at it. I do remember one person on Audiokarma who used Stylast religiously but not the record treatment. After a 1000 hours he had the diamond inspected on his cartridge and it was worn out as a typical diamond would be. He was crestfallen. 

As I recall, there are some MDS out on the Stylast products that will give you the chemical composition, but not the percentages.

I have lost diamonds two times off cantilevers. Once I suspect because I had a cue mishap and set it down too hard. I think I may have weakened the bond. The second one was no mishap, it just detached in mid play. 

I ended up changing how I apply my stylus cleaner. Before I had brushed directly onto the diamond, and then used the brush. These days I apply the fluid onto the brush a bit enthusiastically, and then use the wetted brush to clean the diamond. No issues with this technique.  

With a magnifying mirror under the cartridge, and decent amount of reflected light, you can see which ones have a blob of glue, and which ones are into a laser cut hole in the cantilever, any speck of glue would be on top, out of sight, not the bottom. I occasionally use stylus cleaner on them, not the ones with visible blobs.

Faustuss, thank you for reminding me/us that LAST did make two different products, one for cleaning and the other was Stylast, for lubricating the stylus. I am embarrassed because I used to own both and probably still do have them stashed away somewhere.  I stopped using them probably 20 years ago, but the product I used most was the cleaner, not Stylast.  As I recall, the bottles were numbered, maybe "4" and "5", respectively.  All of that said, I still do not think either product could have contained any solvent capable of eating epoxy bonds, if for no other reason than the given longevity of the solutions as described by LAST.  Anything that can affect epoxy would be volatile and probably would contain acetone or a derivative. Acetone has a distinct odor, and both solutions were odorless, as I recall. And acetone would evaporate off after a few weeks or months. Plus, epoxy adhesives were strong enough to bond ceramic tiles to the space shuttle nose cone during re-entry.  I don't think there is any inherent fault with epoxy for glueing a stylus to a cantilever, per se. I am guessing that the occasional stylus is not properly glued to the cantilever in the first place, during manufacture, such that the trauma of repeated brushing might eventually loosen it.

A few additional thoughts based on the further comments.  First and foremost, I want to thank everyone for the attention you have all paid to my problem.  I deeply appreciate all of your kind thoughts and help.  There is always the possibility that my particular cartridge did not have the best bond between stylus and cantilever.  Who knows?  I am persuaded that the fault is mostly on me.  Finally, a further comment on Last products and their compatibility with other products.  I have used LAST products for decades with no trouble.  In particular Stylast on the stylus does add to stylus life.  I do check all of my cartridges for stylus wear semi-annually using a Wild-Herrbrugg micorscope and in years gone by I did a controlled experiment where I interchangeably used two stylii, one treated and one left untreated with Stylast.  The treated one lasted for over twice as long, meaning the useable life was greater than 2 untreated ones (I gave up the experiment after the second stylus wore out with the treated one still in useable condition).  The cartridge was a Shure V15 III.  FWIW, I have never tried LAST record cleaner, perhaps it would provide even better results.

@lewm 

"Plus, epoxy adhesives were strong enough to bond ceramic tiles to the space shuttle nose cone during re-entry."

The whole fuselage was covered with ceramic tiles and if you recall they had a persistent problem them falling off during launch. We even lost one during re-entry because the tiles were in a critical area on the underside exposed to the intense heat from it. I was sitting in a local Meineke having one of the rims on my car straitened as the Columbia streaked across the sky and broke up in seconds on the waiting room TV.