What innovative, unconventional cartridge designs can you recommend?


Most cartridges have a stylus and cantilever where the transducer (magnet, iron or coil) sits on the far end of the cantilever.  What other designs are there?

I am mindful of two designs which put the business end right on top of the stylus.  The first is the moving coil (MC) Audio Technica AT-ART1000 which places two tiny coils, each 0.9-mm diameter, with eight turns of wire directly above the stylus.  Australian price is about AUD-7000 and there apparently is a newer model, slightly less exxe. the ART1000X.  This has square coils for a bit more output, and threaded mounting holes.

A downside is that stylus replacement involves a factory maintenance program and the Australian website page describing this service does not exist.

Another design is optical, exemplified by DS Audio's range.  While these still need a stylus to trace the groove, the signal is produced by reading the intensity of light produced by a Light Emitting Diode (LED) hitting two sensors.  Between the LED and the sensors are two 'shades' mounted above the stylus which change the amount of light as the stylus vibrates.  These cartridges need a special "photo-stage" to replace the conventional phono-stage which is an additional expense.

Australian prices including photo-stages range from AUD-2,150 for the DS-E1 to the DS Master 3 at approximately AUD-40,800, which is a bit outside my price range!  Where is the sweet spot?

What other way-out designs are there?

richardbrand

I think it would be more accurate to say that optical cartridges respond to displacement, rather than to "position".  It's the distance the stylus tip moves (for optical and strain gauge) vs the velocity at which it moves (for electromagnetic).

I apologize for the following, but what the heck, I am waiting for dinner:  On p. 8, you wrote, referring to me, "Earlier in this thread you posted calculations giving the capacitance required to smooth various output voltages.  With respect, your formulae did not factor in the acceptable ripple level on the output.  Adding more capacitance asymptotically reduces ripple and in that sense you are only subject to the law of diminishing returns in terms of cost, weight, volume."  Unless in fact you are referring to someone else, all I ever said was that the amount of capacitance required in a PS is inversely proportional to the VDC delivered to the circuit.  I did not post any formulae. And yes, one can go crazy with capacitance above and beyond what is really necessary to achieve DC.  In part, the excess capacitance makes the PS faster to deliver current if it is suddenly needed. However, that does not apply in Class A circuits or probably for the cartridge. 

@lewm 

it would be more accurate to say that optical cartridges respond to displacement, rather than to "position"

I was going to agree with you, but on second thoughts they produce current which does depend on the absolute position of the shading plate.  When the plate is displaced, the current changes.  But in a silent track (no displacement), they will produce their average current (like a Class A amplifier) because the shading plate is positioned to obscure half the photoreceptor.

the amount of capacitance required in a PS is inversely proportional to the VDC delivered to the circuit

The amount of capacitance also depends on many other factors, especially the amount of ripple that is tolerable.

Enjoy your dinner yes

Sooner or later, to continue this discussion sensibly, you are going to have to get your hands on an optical cartridge plus Equalizer, and I am going to have to get a Moving Coil.  Who will be going backwards?
 

@richardbrand I pulled the trigger on Umami Blue. While the DS003 is an amazing cartridge based on what I’ve read so far, going up the Hana line made more sense for me at this point, especially after what I heard over the weekend in my friend’s system with his upgrade from ML to Umami Blue. 
So to answer your question, I don’t think either of us would be going backwards. 

@audphile1 

Congratulations on your new purchase!

I looked up a review and found The Hana Umami Blue Moving Coil Cartridge Review - The Absolute Sound. In it Tom Martin says

do have a cartridge that’s effectively in between the Umami Blue and the Umami Red in price. And I think that provides an interesting comparison, and honestly, if you can, a comparison that you ought to make. That comparison is with the DS Audio 003 cartridge

His conclusion, I think, is that the Umami Blue is one notch more analogue in quality, while the DS003 is one notch more analytical.

So we will both be happy (except that I have a balanced input just waiting for an MC and no spare cash)

Cheers

Thank you @richardbrand ! I’m very excited…can’t wait. 
Saw that review and it helped with the decision but hearing the Blue sealed the deal. 
This will be my 4th Hana cartridge counting the 2 MLs I had few years apart  

I will post my thoughts after I install it. Should be arriving some tine next week.