Do I need an expensive digital cable?


I have been using a fairly inexpensive optical cable to connect my CD transport to my Moon 280D streamer. I was told that an SPDIFcoax cable would sound better. For an experiment I purchased an inexpensive Pangea coax cable. It didn't sound at all because its terminator ends did not fit snugly in my equipment. I consulted chatgbt who often gives me audio advice. It advised that for the short run of 1 meter, an RCA interconnect would work. It did. And sounded much better than the optical. Chatgbt said that RCA interconnect was good enough.

Now, there is a twist to this story that might make those doubters think twice. A digital cable carries packets of information that are rechecked to assure that the streamer is recieving correct information. There is the timing concern, though. But my Moon 280D has an asynchronous DAC with a clock as part of the DAC. Any information sent by my transport, whether it is clocked by the transport or not, will go through the Moon's asynchronous DAC's clock. So ;there shouldn't be a timing problem. Should there?

Can anyone make a case that I should buy a "better" coax cable?

audio-b-dog

@richardbrand 

I am not an expert on networking or digital signals. Althgouh, I have read articles about both. Here is my simple understanding of digital versus analogue.

A digital signal reproduces a sound wave. I have seen this described on an X/Y axis where each packet of information creates a dot on the X/Y axis and all of those dots eventually create a reproduction of a sound wave. Timing is another story, and to be quite honest, I have never been able to retain exactly how that works. But I know it's important and that a DAC needs a clock. dCS sells an atomic clock for a mere $12,000. An inherent problem with digital is that no matter how how high the resolution (how many dots per inch, let's say) there can never be an infinite number of dots. So, some interpolation will have to be done. I believe that's handled by software that can make a big difference. 

An analogue signal on a record is, in essence, sound waves themselves. If you want to prove this, take an old record you don't care about for an experiment. Make a  paper cone and put a needle through the narrow end of the paper cone. Spin the record with the needle in it and the cone will make music. I think this was how the first Gramaphones worked.

There are so many variables, however. Some records are recorded so badly, you might as well listen to a CD. Artists like Diana Krall make wonderful CDs, in regards to how they sound. Then there is the very high rsolution streaming sometimes offers, 192 kHz (samples per second) sent in a 24 bit word length which is enormous. Red Book CD is recorded at 44.1 kHz (samples per second) with a 16 bit word length. 

Most albums recorded after 1980 come from a digitized source. Stored in the highest resolution files. They sound very good, but on a decent rig like mine, I can tell when records come from a digital source and an analogue source. As I've said, I listen to music while I write. Every now and then I'll hop over to chatgbt and ask, "Does this album come from a digitized source?" And I pretty much am right all the time.

@audio-b-dog 

Obviously, you have a lot to learn about how digital works!

For example, with your current level of understanding, it is a complete waste of time trying to explain to you the difference between DSD and PCM.

I doubt if you understand what 192-kHz sent in an 'enormous' 24-bit word length really means.  As a clue, 16, 24 and 32 are multiples of 8 which has evolved to be the 8-bit byte used in modern computers. No recording gets close to actually resolving 24-bits.

You seem to use the terms 'packet' and 'word-length' interchangeably.  They are different concepts.

And while I am at it, you seem unable to spell ChatGPT or Sonus faber correctly.

Somebody like you who has 'golden ears' can be extremely valuable, because you are not influenced by any real understanding of how or why!  Just keep reporting what you hear ...

@richardbrand 

If my ears are golden, and I've never thought of them as such, it has taken me many years to develop them. Sorry for the misspellings. I kind of don't care when I'm on an Audiogon discussion. I care when I'm doing my real writing, but I also have Word to correct me. You're right, my technical understanding is fragmented and shallow at best. I have read many articles on digital music, but I am pretty bored by technical explanations. I was going to be a math major but smartly majored in English Lit. instead. 

@richardbrand 

Not sure the scorn was called for, honestly.

@audio-b-dog ’s understanding of digital audio seems on par with about 75% of audiophiles who hold forth around here. At least he’s honest about it; he’s got an open mind; and he’s curious to learn more, which is more than you can say about all the folks who never let ignorance get in the way of pontificating.