How much do you have to spend?


To acquire a system after which spending additional $ would yield diminishing or marginal returns? How would you apportion the $ you spend to the various components needed?

fritzenheimer

How interesting that this question—allocation of resources—came up the day after I figured this out for my system.  So, here is where I have ended up … so far:

Sources:                       16%

Preamp & phono pre:   17%

Power Amps:                20%

Speakers & Subs:         28%

DAC:                               3%

Power Mgmt/Cables:      5%

Shelving:                         4%

Cables—ICs/speaker:     7%

 

I can see that the DAC is the next area of possible improvement, if improvement is needed.

I started back into this hobby withKEF LS50 and a NAD 375BEE integrated, so I know where you are at. I upgraded to separates, Schiit Freya and Gumby DAC and Coda amp. And then bought KEF Reference 1 used. Trust me, you can massively improve on your system. Aim high.

This is a pretty open-ended question.  When I started out a year ago, I asked a friend if I could put something together for $3,000.  Initially, he said yes.  A week later he said at least $4,000.  As I acquired components, something was always missing (sonic perfection).  A year later and about $18,000 in, I'm a lot poorer, but really happy with what I have.  Aside from my DAC that was bought during a great sale and my rack that the dealer gave me a great discount on, everything was purchased used or open box.  When you start out, you don't know what you don't know.  I now consider myself as an evangelist for upgraded power cords and power conditioners.  They moved the needle significantly on noise reduction.

I understand the obsession with putting a $ amount on a single component or complete system but IMO it's the wrong strategy/focus when assembling a complete HEA system. My best advice is to keep your system balanced, meaning not being able to easily identify where the systems weak link resides.

The, "How much do I have to spend?", argument, sounds reasonable at first, but its almost a guaranteed fail. I know everyone has their theories and percentages, but if you really know what you're doing, you know it just doesn't work like that. If you get it right, it will be by accident. 

If you want to upgrade your system, you need to know 2 things. What do you have now and what do you want from the upgrade? Without some type of goal or plan, you can't expect to be successful. Choosing the best component for the job is far more important than how much it costs. Sometimes you can get lucky and be way under budget. Sometimes not. But if you do find a component that you can't afford, you can at least try to find something similar at a lesser price. 

I would also try and stay away from the term diminishing returns. If you're an experienced audiophile, you should be able to relate. Focus on your minimum standard instead. Everyone is different, but we all develop a minimum for what we can accept at listenable. For example, lets say you are trying to decide on 2 CD players. One is $2500 and the other is $5000. Most people will say there will definitely be diminishing returns because the more expensive player will probably not be 2x better. And they may be right. However, if the cheaper player does one small thing that you don't like, you'll never listen to it. Your minimum standard may be the $5000 player, so even if its only 10% or 20% better, it doesn't matter. 

Getting back to my original point, if you can't clearly articulate what you want from an upgrade, you're not ready. That's the reason you are defaulting to price based upgrades. You don't have a clear path forward.