Garrard 401 or Thorens 125


I know these are two different turntables, belt vs idler, but if both were the same price and the 401 was in great, serviced condition and the 125 was restored by someone like Vinyl Nirvana, which do you choose?   I listen to mostly rock to heavy rock so leaning toward the punch of the idler but then again, i would need to remember maintenance (i know right?  what a problem).  Torn between the two.

redclamchowder

Bill, I would not say they are examples of Old World craftsmanship so much as they are examples of an industrial era when things were "built like a tank", which probably is a post WW2 meme, since tanks played such a huge role in fighting that war. A time when, in this country, Sears ruled the world. I still have and use a few of the tools that my dad left on his workbench when he passed away in the 70s. The difference between them in quality of construction and their modern counterparts that one encounters in a hardware story these days is notable. Let's not forget that a new Garrard 301 chassis sold for around $50 in its day. (On the other hand, accounting for inflation, that was probably big bucks.)

On the hearth in our NH home there is an old wooden plane made by my wife Bonnie's great grandfather, a professional furniture maker.  That is Old World craftsmanship in the true sense.  Point taken, lewm.  In my defense I did use small rather than capital letters.  I also have some old tools such as you describe inheriting from your father, except in my case, at 77, I bought them when new.  

Hey, I am old too.  I do have old tools bought by me in the last 40 years or so, and you can see the evolution from overbuilt to underbuilt just looking at those.

I understand what you mean about hand tools.  On the other hand, when it comes to turntables progress has been made.  I believe it would not be controversial to say that the turntables being made today, at least the ones that concern those of us who participate in forums such as this, are the best ever.  Now, let me pose a question for open comment.  What is the price point of diminishing return for a high end sound system?  Let’s keep it simple and confine my question to turntables only.  And let's assume new, current models only.  No used, discontinued or other screaming deals need be considered.

I have been reading this and other post regarding owning a vintage Garrard or Thorens. but what I don't understand is why the effort to get restored vintage TT (other than the value of being Nostalgic) as compared to just getting a New TT specially for the price.  

In my opinion the cost of a good restored Thoren's may equal the cost of a say VPI or Dr Freikert ! 

just wondering what the reasons are so i can get a better perspective