To All Cable Deniers, 1 Very Simple Question.


There are people coming into cable threads and saying all cables sound identical. So I have 1 question for y'all.

Today, it is about power cords.

The end-plug, the metal part, the one you plug into the wall outlet. Without knowing the % of copper in the plug of your basic cable, can you absolutely certain say it sounds identical to a plug with 98% copper?

How about 60% copper plug vs 98% copper? Identical?

40% copper, Identical?

20% copper, Identical?

0% copper, Identical?

To wrap up, the question is very simple. If the copper % is different, would the 2 plugs still sound the same?

A bonus question, if a plug is 60% gold, will it sound identical vs a 98% copper?

samureyex

Question back - What are these plugged into? Below is a list of wall outlets, the contact metals used, and the associated conductivity expressed as a percent of the IACS (International Annealed Copper Standard), where standard ETP copper has conductivity expressed as 100%.

  • Hubbell 8300 (as used in "audiophile" Porter Ports) - Brass, 25-40%
  • Pangea Audio Premier AC Outlet - Phosphor bronze, 11-20%
  • AudioQuest NRG Edison Duplex Outlet -  Beryllium-copper, 15-65%
  • Cardas Audio 4181US Duplex AC Outlet - Beryllium-copper, 15-65%
  • Furutech’s GTX - (Alpha) pure copper (spring loaded), 100%

The point is that there are many design, materials, and construction choices that can affect the sound of just about any audio related product.  For example, it is easy to say that copper is better, but what if the gripping pressure and resulting contact is better with another less malleable, higher strength metal, such as Beryllium-copper?  Which sounds better?  Who knows. 

There are folks here who believe Ohno Continuous Cast (OCC) copper at about 103-104% conductivity sounds better than more typical annealed, oxygen free copper at 101% conductivity.  Is that 2-3% really audible, when all else is equal?  In the big scheme of things, and considering all the pieces, parts, and choices involved in an audio system, would a listener actually be able to perceive the difference? OTOH, for example, would closing the drapes in the listening room make a bigger sonic difference?  Closing the drapes is free, just say'n. 

Of course, as someone said here recently, "improvement thru placebo effect is still improvement".

@mitch2 ,

You also gotta factor in what your house is wired with...

What your gear is using for wiring...

It’s just not that simple as to key in on the plug.

There are two diametrically opposed cable cohorts: believers versus deniers. And it’s in every audio forum in the world since time immemorial.

Anecdotally, IMO, the former seems to have the larger number of card-carrying members, whereas the latter seems to have the more aggressive tenor post; and frequently repeated by a small core group of forum posters with a pattern of multi posts in the same threads just to re-emphasize their opinions.

Result: the too oft-repeated cable debate wars. So it’s up to each individual to face the intransigence that each cohort has absolutely NIL chance of EVER convincing the other side to change their mind.

One litmus test adopted in CANUCKAUDIOMART is the welcome intercedence by the mods to “referee” the cable posts, and impose a playbook of acceptable and unacceptable posts of personal experiences.

Emphasis on polite expression of a personal experience is fine,  BUT without any dismissal of, or escalation in a further futile debate, with the contrarians. This works both ways in tbis Mexican standoff.

Cable posters who ignore a forum common sense code of conduct in this narrow item, will be (a) initially warned, and (b) repeat offenders face restrictions or even ultimate suspension.