Dealing with Static on LP palyback


Anyone have any suggestions on how to deal with static build up on LPs as I play them?   Just playing one side is something enough to cause an arc when I pick up the album.  Most of the time I hear tiny, consistent crackles that sound just like static.

All the things I tried that claim to reduce static does not.  I must have four record mats and a camel hair tone arm brush, all of which claim to reduce static but have no effect that I can see.

spatialking

@lewm 

if an electron or a negative ion is neutralized by positive ions in a dust particle (your hypothesis), then that negative particle it is able to exert no force

That is not my full contention - you need to look at both the sub-microscopic and macro scales. At the sub-micro level, the electron remains embedded in the vinyl. It does not move - the insulator does not become a conductor.  But the electron is attracted to the positive charge in the dust particle, as you have previously pointed out, with a force that obeys an inverse square law.  The force between the two is huge yet the two charges are separated.

This applies to a comb attracting a bit of paper. The paper does not fall off if it touches the comb.  The charges remain separated.

But step away and wave a charge meter around, and there will be no reading because at a distance the fields from the two opposite charges cancel.  This is similar to using a Hall-effect ammeter, which gives zero reading if the outgoing and incoming conductors, carrying equal and opposite currents, are both in the gap.

In the Standard Model, gravity is regarded as one of the four fundamental forces of nature along with the weak and strong nuclear forces, plus the electromagnetic force.  Gravity is not part of the Standard Model, which cannot explain gravity’s extraordinary relative weakness, nor does the Standard Model integrate with relativity.

EMI comprises energy packets called photons, which can interact with electrons to change their energy levels, as in light emitting diodes and photo-receptors.  They cannot change the charge carried.  I think you are looking for ionising radiation, which has far higher energy than found in hi-fi gear, unless an unwanted spark is letting all the smoke out.

 

Example  - I have a brand new mint vinyl record. I remove static with zerostat and I use music hall record brush (previously known as hunt brush). 
I play one side with zero issues due to static. I then pick up a record to flip it and there’s ton of static as I lift it off the platter. I do not use a mat. Bare VPI metal platter.
I was under the impression that stylus friction will build up static. During playback the ground wire that connects your turntable ground terminal to phono stage ground terminal helps dissipate static charge.

Record is flipped. I use zerostat and brush again. No issues during playback. 
yes static will attract dust particles. There is not much you can do to avoid that. Most of the time if vinyl is pristine there are no major issues during playback.
Yes it will be worse in a winter with heater drying out air. Am I oversimplifying things or are we over complicating everything?

I am no expert in static electricity during vinyl playback so I could be completely wrong  

 

@oldaudiophile 

"Regarding the Roy Gandy theory of the stylus just pushing dust & debris out of the way, there is a funny story about this.  Can't remember where I read or possibly saw the video about this, probably Analog Planet or one of Michael Fremer's many videos.  As best I recall, Mr. Fremer was visiting the Rega factory in England and was later invited to Mr. Gandy's home.  Upon discussing this idea that the TT stylus just pushes dust & debris out of the way, Mr. Fremer suggested putting this to the test by playing a succession of records without brushing and without a dust cover in place.  It wasn't long before enough dust & debris had accumulated at the stylus tip that it lost contact with the record grooves and ultimately started skipping around on the record.  I wonder how Mr. Gandy plays his records now."

Let's get real here and thanks for addressing me directly @oldaudiophile by linking my username.  I've always advocated in all my posts dusting a record prior to play as in the one you responded to just preceding yours. When the stylus encounters foreign matter as the record plays it pushes it out of the way. 

The endless dissertations in this thread regarding what electrical charges and dust particles have to do with noisy playback are essentially moot and quoting old research papers published decades ago when the technology was still in it's infancy to bolster one's position on an age-old subject. With newer and more advanced stylus profiles, if a listener would take the time to do their discovery, purchase a cartridge that uses a better profile and set it up in their tonearm as directed by the manufacturer along with the most basic record handling and hygiene practices is all that is required to control the noise levels during vinyl playback. There are always going to be minute surface defects and occasional non-fill from the stamping process. Also, there might be foreign matter adhered at the very surface which can be delt with permanently using a keen eye and a fingernail if one remembers the track that was playing where it occurred in the music segment. Not a cure for all occasional pops and clicks but that's vinyl.

Using additives on a records surface (Groove Glide or whatever) poses protentional future risks as the components of that material ages and brakes down in the groove. Cleaning solutions as well, regardless of the manufacture's claims about it's purity and effectiveness will leave residue on the records surface and in the grooves that will eventually contribute to surface noise. Observing the accumulation of these substances on the stylus after play is direct evidence.

I also watched fastidiously the series of Micheal Fremer videos when he visited Rega several years ago and don't recall a segment where Fremer put Gandy's assertions to the test as I quoted you above. Find me a link to the segment you're referring to and I'll stand corrected.

If you believe that Fremer is a final authority on anything having to do with vinyl, then you must be one of his lambs. He can be credited along with others for helping to keep vinyl in the public's conciseness during it's darkest days, however.