My streamer doesn't have a good fantom centerDSP


All vintage analog system, Cambridge Audio streamer using built in DAC. Radio (yes, I listen to it regularly) and Vinyl both have huge sound stage, great image, it sounds like voices are coming directly out from my audio rack. However, when playing my streamer, it's more like just L/R speakers. That center image isn't always there. 

My streamer software/firmware are up to date, cables are connected correctly, use Tidal Connect with MAX bitrate. It does sound great, very clean, clear, great dynamics, good sound stage, but the center is just not right. 

My thoughts are that my speakers are setup correctly, due to the other sources working just fine. Not using any signal adjustments in the streamer (DPS, EQ).

Thinking might need to invest in a better streamer? Mine is a budget one after all. 

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First of all, Stereophile rates Class A gear within each product category — not by price. Class A, B, C, and K are performance tiers, regardless of cost. This rating principle is clearly stated in Stereophile’s Recommended Components section: ‘Class ratings are based on performance, including performance on the test bench.’ Read it and educate yourself if you’re still in denial.

It also goes on to say: ‘There is a near-universal consensus that at some point in the upward climb of product prices, diminishing returns set in: Doubling the price may get you only a 10% — or 5%, or 1% — improvement.’ I don’t expect the MXN10 to perform identically to a Mola Mola, and I’ve heard the difference. But you also need to acknowledge that the MXN10’s performance is strong enough to justify its place in Class A, based on the reviewers’ assessment.  The other good example is TAS compares a $1k streamer with built-in DAC favorably with a $38k combo which includes Aurender N200.  This indicates again, in today’s market, the diminishing return point is get much lower than ever.  Judging performance of audio gears based on pricing is no longer valid.

Second, this invalidates all of your prejudiced opinions based solely on price. I don’t wish to continue debating this with you. I can assure you that any MXN10 owner could easily demonstrate that there is no deficiency in soundstage performance, as you have speculated. In my system, the MXN10 preserves the soundstage of the original recording quite well. With proper speaker setup in my listening space, the soundstage is wider than the speakers, as tall as the performer, and offers reasonable depth with pinpoint imaging. The depth is slightly less than that of my reference streamer, the Volumio Rivo Plus, but not far behind.

@lanx0003 

That is what Stereophile says... that it is by performance category, I don’t know why, it is absolutely not true. I have proven this countless time over the last 40 years by comparing different class A or B. I don’t care that they say... it is "for the money". Never has the $1K class A performance even remotely came close to a $10K class A or for that matter has a $10K class B outperformed a $10K Class A. They may be from different sound groups, but performance is well evaluated in general... but within pricing tiers.

Where did you quote this from, @ghdprentice ?  I quoted mine  from https://www.stereophile.com/content/recommended-components-fall-2025-edition.  Why would Stereophile say something contradicting themselves?  

That is what Stereophile says... that it is by performance category, I don’t know why, it is absolutely not true. I have proven this countless time over the last 40 years by comparing different class A or B. I don’t care that they say... it is "for the money". Never has the $1K class A performance even remotely came close to a $10K class A or for that matter has a $10K class B outperformed a $10K Class A. They may be from different sound groups, but performance is well evaluated in general... but within pricing tiers.

I think TAS said something that hurt your pride in owning that $38k combo. If that’s not the case, the best way to clear this up is to pick up a Node Icon yourself, listen, and compare. Then you can judge firsthand whether the Node is really that good.

@lanx0003 the point of diminishing returns in digital one box solutions doesn’t strike at $499. I’m puzzled as to why you’ve decided to battle this out but I can tell you from experience that better dacs, streamers or dac/streamer combos get significantly better the higher up the chain you go. That’s just how it is. 
A honda civic can never compete with a BMW 7 series. This Cambridge can’t compete with the likes of even lower end Aurender and Lumin. The OP’s system is case in point - it’s lacking in comparison to his analog sources. When he acquires a used, even single box unit, in a $2,000 price point he’ll realize what he’s been missing. We shall wait and see. 
 

As to stereophile, I’ve owned several of their Class A rated components and they are rated accordingly within their performance category and that includes price. 

Again, @audphile1, you’re judging performance based on price. I’m honestly puzzled by how stubborn you’re being about this. If you want to argue, take it up with TAS. Why are you ignoring what they said — that the $38k combo sounds only slightly better than the $1k Node Icon?  Don't just be picky on the $499 MXN10.