Considering Vandersteen Treo


My profile is out of date, but my current speakers are QLN 3's, which I very much enjoy. The soundstage is wonderful, and they play nice in my smallish room at 12.5x11. However, they seem to lack some fullness, and not just in the bass category, I can't quite put my finger on what is missing. 

To date I have demo'ed Spendor D series, Wilson Sabrina, Audiovector R3 Arrete, Sonus Faber Olympica Nova II and the Vandersteen Treo. Each of them had their merits, but the Treo was the standout among these choices. 

Along with good sound, my requirements, and concerns, surround:

- How well they play in smaller rooms without overpowering the room.

- How well they play at lower listening levels, 65-75 dB. I am not a believer that this is entirely a function of speaker sensitivity. Some speakers 'wake up' at certain levels, and can be quite dull at low volume.

- Soundstage, and the ability to disappear. I like a broad soundstage and phase aligned speakers. All of the speakers did pretty well in this category, but the Treo's were better, presumable due to their phase aligned design.

- One concern and actually an annoyance with the Treo's is the speaker connections. I have significant investment in time and money finding speaker cables and I would not be able to use them on the antiquated screw terminal connections forced on owners of these speakers. Anyway...

Just tossing this out there to solicit opinions from those who have heard or own Treo's or QLN's. Let me know your thoughts.

 

 

zlone

Last year, I was considering the Vandersteen Treo or the Sonus Faber Olympica Nova III to replace my aging Thiel 2.2 speakers. I've always liked the concept of time coherent speakers (such as those from Vandersteen or Thiel), but I've also been tempted by the fast, transparent sound produced by planar tweeters and midranges. Blended with the right woofers, this option could be the answer to my search for new speakers.

My casual listening to Sonus Fabers and Vandersteens in dealer showrooms didn't impress me enough to give up on my Thiels, so I started reading reviews of speakers with planar-magnetic drivers, such as those from Borresen and PS Audio. I liked the fact that the PS Audio Aspen speakers use planers in both tweeters and mids, while the Borresens use planars only for tweeters; also, the Aspens devote serious attention to bass impact and extension (combining multiple woofers with several passive radiators). Given that I could use trade-in discounts from PS Audio to get the price much lower than the Borresen options, combined with a 30-day in-home trial, I took a chance on the smallest Aspen floorstander, the FR10.

Wow, the FR10s are great speakers! My Thiels are now boxed up in my basement, and the FR10s are providing the most transparent and natural mids/highs I have ever heard in my listening room. Realism and "liveness" are now a routine part of my listening experience, and bass is tight and impactful. My Thiels had a tendency to sound a bit too bright at times, but the FR10s provide transparency and detail without harshness or edginess. Soundstage is wide and deep, and voices and instruments are presented in space in realistic positions with sufficient "air" around them to sound lively and real.

As you continue your search for new speakers, I would encourage you to take a look/listen to the Aspen FR10s. These are great speakers for small to midsize rooms.  

@sdl4 I had hoped to hear these at AXPONA as well, but the room was always crammed. And too big to get any real impression. I will definitely give these some consideration.

@soix Good points. As we all know, everything makes a difference. I had a REL 7 with my LS50's and it was perfectly dialed in and sounded great. I could never get it quite right in my new room and sold it off, though admittedly I did not try too hard. 

Op which legacy did your friend have if they are older then five years the newest legacy loudspeakers are substantially better legacys heil drivers are really amazing great detail yet not bright,  and the carbon silk midrange is stellar.

@audiotroy He has the Legacy Focus SE. I do like the Legacy's, but not sure I love them. The real stopper is they are all quite large and not a fit for my space. Thanks for the info though.

the signatures are much smaller and will work well n your space also he  may have an older version the latest versions sounds far better