FWIT I have an Oppo 105d, an Oppo 971 ( yes a 971 ), a Cambridge DAC Magic 200, a Schiit Bifrost , an A series Schiit Yiggy with a gen 5 usb card. I’m currently running a Innuos Pulse mini with upgraded LPS to the Yiggy. I have about $1k in a pair of interconnects and a usb not to mention the power cords , and a Stacks filter and isolation footers. There are a number of processing chips and a couple styles of DAC implementation. I personally don’t care for the sound of the DAC in the Oppo’s. My current setup is the Innuos to the Yiggy to a Rogue Hera to Rogue M-180’s to Tekton DI’s. I have about $5K in dedicated lines , power conditioning and cables. All upgraded nos tubes and some acoustic treatments. So when I’m streaming from either Tidal , Qbuz , Internet radio that sound you are seeking , I get most of the time. I’m sitting here streaming Dot 1 Fm with Bob Segar doing “ Against the Wind “. The speakers disappear the vocals are in the middle like he’s here. If I adjust the balance 1 db left or right it’s like he moved a couple feet left or right. I’ve almost reached the level of my TT , with the Innuos being the weak link. You have a taste of what’s possible and will have to try for yourself to move up the SQ ladder. I can’t really suggest what you should do with any certainty. But it will cost you some dollars. A one box solution might be a Bluesound ( latest version ), a higher level Cambridge streamer ( $1k or $1.5k ), or something similar. You are obviously smart and skilled with the ability to restore your system. There are other skilled people here that use an optical isolation and assemble streamers that are very effective for under $1k. That coupled with a nice DAC in the sub $1k range would obtain a SQ better than expected. I personally avoid Chinese products but there are streamer DAC combos in the $1-1.5 k range that are raved about. FWIT I had a post asking why Dot 1 Fm and Radio Paradise sounded better on my system than Tidal or Qbuz. I was told the format is different and most consider it sub par. But for me, my speakers disappear and the soundstage expands significantly. The other thing is I am hardwired with cat 6 and do not use any blue tooth. BTW with your skill set have you upgraded the diaphragms or the crossovers in your Klipsch speakers ? Keep experimenting and you will get good results. Sorry to be long winded and your system is Super Cool. Regards , Mike B
My streamer doesn't have a good fantom centerDSP
All vintage analog system, Cambridge Audio streamer using built in DAC. Radio (yes, I listen to it regularly) and Vinyl both have huge sound stage, great image, it sounds like voices are coming directly out from my audio rack. However, when playing my streamer, it's more like just L/R speakers. That center image isn't always there.
My streamer software/firmware are up to date, cables are connected correctly, use Tidal Connect with MAX bitrate. It does sound great, very clean, clear, great dynamics, good sound stage, but the center is just not right.
My thoughts are that my speakers are setup correctly, due to the other sources working just fine. Not using any signal adjustments in the streamer (DPS, EQ).
Thinking might need to invest in a better streamer? Mine is a budget one after all.
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I get the feeling that looking at the streamer, dac, cables etc is looking the wrong way. First, I would check the source. Test music in mono, if you can do it. Use good natural sounding recordings that have a focus on the central image. Avoid fancy productions and stereo on stereoids with overbusy left and right channels. With good sources you should get a clear central image, at least from the vinyl. Check that the volume from mono recordings sounds exactly balanced, left and right. There is your phantom centre. In fact, with mono, that's all you hear. Next I would check speaker placement. Maybe your speakers should be moved closer together. You say music sounds "huge" with vinyl. Maybe too huge? Try reducing the distance, a little bit at a time, not too much. You want to keep a wide soundstage, but increase the emphasis on the central image. Allow the stereo speakers to sound a bit more "mono" by reducing the distance between them. Finally, experiment with toe-in, to get the image just right. Hopefully you will discover that the central image is in fact there, in your digital sources too. It is just that the speakers can be better aligned to the room.
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@erik_squires @o_holter Do not think it's placement, or room issue. Listening to the radio right now, my speakers have disappeared, there is a big sound stage, voices are dead center, there is a 3d image of where each instrument is in space. Vinyl is the same. At my listening chair, it sounds like my plants, my rack, my walls are all producing sound. My speakers are 8ft apart, and I'm 10ft away, they are pointed at each shoulder at ear level. Think the speakers are in the correct spot. Not going to adjust everything for digital to loose what I have on analog. Not every streamed song is like that, most are. It's just weird to have the speakers disappear, then come back, then go again. It kind of kills the vibe. Also when streaming, I'm all over the place and not doing full albums, just playlist of variable quality. So far I get " this is what digital is" "DAC's all sound like this" I either need to live with it, invest in a better streamer. |
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